Jami' at-Tirmidhi 112
What Has Been Related That 'Water Is For Water'
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حَدَّثَنَا عَلِيُّ بْنُ حُجْرٍ أَخْبَرَنَا شَرِيكٌ عَنْ أَبِي الْجَحَّافِ عَنْ عِكْرِمَةَ عَنِ ابْنِ عَبَّاسٍ قَالَ
إِنَّمَا الْمَاءُ مِنَ الْمَاءِ فِي الاِحْتِلاَمِ
Translation
Chain of narrators
- ʿAlī b. Ḥujr
- Sharīk
- Abū al-Jaḥḥāf
- ʿIkrimah
- Ibn ʿAbbās
"Water is for water' is only about the wet dream."
Notes
قَالَ أَبُو عِيسَى سَمِعْتُ الْجَارُودَ يَقُولُ سَمِعْتُ وَكِيعًا يَقُولُ لَمْ نَجِدْ هَذَا الْحَدِيثَ إِلاَّ عِنْدَ شَرِيكٍ قَالَ أَبُو عِيسَى وَأَبُو الْجَحَّافِ اسْمُهُ دَاوُدُ بْنُ أَبِي عَوْفٍ وَيُرْوَى عَنْ سُفْيَانَ الثَّوْرِيِّ قَالَ حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو الْجَحَّافِ وَكَانَ مَرْضِيًّا قَالَ أَبُو عِيسَى وَفِي الْبَابِ عَنْ عُثْمَانَ بْنِ عَفَّانَ وَعَلِيِّ بْنِ أَبِي طَالِبٍ وَالزُّبَيْرِ وَطَلْحَةَ وَأَبِي أَيُّوبَ وَأَبِي سَعِيدٍ عَنِ النَّبِيِّ ﷺ أَنَّهُ قَالَ الْمَاءُ مِنَ الْمَاءِ
machine translationAbū ʿĪsā said: I heard al-Jārūd say: I heard Wakīʿ say: We did not find this hadith except with Sharīk. Abū ʿĪsā said: Abū al-Jaḥḥāf's name is Dāwūd b. Abī ʿAwf. It is narrated from Sufyān al-Thawrī that he said: Abū al-Jaḥḥāf narrated to us, and he was approved. Abū ʿĪsā said: On this topic there are narrations from ʿUthmān b. ʿAffān, ʿAlī b. Abī Ṭālib, al-Zubayr, Ṭalḥah, Abū Ayyūb and Abū Saʿīd, from the Prophet ﷺ, that he said: "Water is from water."
قَالَ أَبُو عِيسَى وَأَبُو الْجَحَّافِ اسْمُهُ دَاوُدُ بْنُ أَبِي عَوْفٍ. وَيُرْوَى عَنْ سُفْيَانَ الثَّوْرِيِّ قَالَ حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو الْجَحَّافِ وَكَانَ مَرْضِيًّا. قَالَ أَبُو عِيسَى وَفِي الْبَابِ عَنْ عُثْمَانَ بْنِ عَفَّانَ وَعَلِيِّ بْنِ أَبِي طَالِبٍ وَالزُّبَيْرِ وَطَلْحَةَ وَأَبِي أَيُّوبَ وَأَبِي سَعِيدٍ عَنِ النَّبِيِّ صلى الله عليه وسلم أَنَّهُ قَالَ " الْمَاءُ مِنَ الْمَاءِ ".
machine translationAbū ʿĪsā said: Abū al-Jaḥḥāf's name is Dāwūd b. Abī ʿAwf. It is narrated from Sufyān al-Thawrī that he said: Abū al-Jaḥḥāf narrated to us, and he was approved. Abū ʿĪsā said: On this topic there are narrations from ʿUthmān b. ʿAffān, ʿAlī b. Abī Ṭālib, al-Zubayr, Ṭalḥah, Abū Ayyūb and Abū Saʿīd, from the Prophet ﷺ, that he said: "Water is from water."
Grades by grader
| Zubair Ali Zai | Weak | fawazahmed0, hadithunlocked, sunnah.com |
|---|---|---|
| Ahmad Muhammad Shakir | Sahih | fawazahmed0 |
| al-Albani | Daif Isnaad | fawazahmed0 |
What scholars said about it
In their own words, as Hadith Unlocked records them. They are shown, not summarised into a grade.
- Ibn Ḥajar al-ʿAsqalānī
إسناده لين
machine translationIts chain has some weakness (layn).
in جامع الترمذي, p. 114 - al-Tirmidhi
وفي إسناده لين لأنه من رواية شريك عن أبي الجحاف
machine translationThere is weakness (layyin) in its chain, because it is from the narration of Sharīk from Abū al-Jaḥḥāf.
in جامع الترمذي, p. 114 - Ibn Rajab
وقد روي عن ابن عباس هذا التأويل خرجه الترمذي من وجه فيه مقال
machine translationThis interpretation has been narrated from Ibn ʿAbbās; al-Tirmidhī recorded it through a route in which there is some criticism.
in جامع الترمذي, p. 114 - وكيع بن الجراح
لم نجد هذا الحديث إلا عند شريك واسم أبي الجحاف داود بن أبي عوف قال الثوري كان مرجئا
machine translationWe did not find this hadith except with Sharīk. Abū al-Jaḥḥāf's name is Dāwūd b. Abī ʿAwf. al-Thawrī said: He was a Murjiʾite.
in جامع الترمذي, p. 114
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- al-Albani
صحيح دون قوله في الاحتلام، وهو ضعيف الإسناد موقوف
machine translationAuthentic (ṣaḥīḥ) except for the phrase about nocturnal emission (iḥtilām); that is weak (ḍaʿīf) in its chain and is a statement of a Companion (mawqūf).
in ضعيف الترمذي, p. 112
Same hadith, other wordings
- Bulughul Maram 109{ اَلْمَاءُ مِنْ اَلْمَاءِ }
- Misykatul Mashabih 432وَقَالَ ابْنُ عَبَّاسٍ: إِنَّمَا الْمَاءُ مِنَ الْمَاءِ فِي الِاحْتِلَامِ. رَوَاهُ التِّرْمِذِيُّ وَلَمْ أَجِدْهُ فِي الصَّحِيحَيْنِ
- Shahih Muslim 343bإِنَّمَا الْمَاءُ مِنَ الْمَاءِ
Other narrations of this report
Sahih al-Bukhari 292Sahih Muslim 346aSahih Ibn Hibban 1171Sahih Ibn Hibban 127
Narrators
- One of the Companions who narrated most prolifically (mukthirūn).d. 65 AH, or 67 AH, or 68 AH, also said: 69 AH, also said: 70 AH; also said: 73 AHعَبْدُ اللهِ بْنُ عَبَّاسٍأحد المكثرين من الصحابةعن
- Trustworthy (thiqah), reliable (thabt), knowledgeable in Qurʾānic exegesis; the claim that Ibn ʿUmar called him a liar is not established, and no innovation is established from him.d. Ibn al-Madīnī said: 104 AH. Abū Saʿīd b. Yūnus and others said: 105 AH, and al-Haytham b. ʿAdī said, and Abū ʿUmar al-Ḍarīr: 106 AH. Abū Maʿshar al-Madanī and others said: 107 AH. Also reported from al-Haytham b. ʿAdī, and Abū al-Ḥasan al-Madāʾinī, and Yaḥyā b. Maʿīn: 115 AH. And that is a mistakeعِكْرِمَةَثقة ثبت عالم بالتفسير ، لم يثبت تكذيبه عن ابن عمر ، ولا تثبت عنه بدعةعن
- truthful (ṣadūq), a Shīʿī, sometimes erredd. between 131 AH and 140 AHأَبِي الْجَحَّافِصدوق ، شيعي ربما أخطأعن
- Truthful (ṣadūq) who made many mistakes (yukhṭiʾ kathīran); his memory changed after he was appointed judge of Kufa; he was just, virtuous, devout, and severe against the people of innovation (ahl al-bidaʿ)d. 177 AH, or 178 AHشَرِيكٌصدوق يخطئ كثيرا , تغير حفظه منذ ولي القضاء بالكوفة ، وكان عادلا فاضلا عابدا شديدا على أهل البدعأخبرنا
- trustworthy, a memorizer (thiqah ḥāfiẓ)d. 244 AH, also said: 241 AH, also said: 243 AHعَلِيُّ بْنُ حُجْرٍثقة حافظحدثنا
- trustworthy, a memorizer (thiqah ḥāfiẓ)d. 279 AH, in Ikmāl al-Tahdhīb: 275 AHالتِّرْمِذِيُّثقة حافظ
Who each narrator was and how reliable, from hdith.com
Latin names and English verdicts with a dotted underline are machine translations, not reviewed.
Commentaries
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Mirʿāt al-Mafātīḥ (al-Mubārakfūrī)
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Tuḥfat al-Aḥwadhī (Mubārakpūrī)
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