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Jami' at-Tirmidhi 1951

What Has Been Related About Disciplining The Son

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حَدَّثَنَا قُتَيْبَةُ حَدَّثَنَا يَحْيَى بْنُ يَعْلَى عَنْ نَاصِحٍ عَنْ سِمَاكِ بْنِ حَرْبٍ عَنْ جَابِرِ بْنِ سَمُرَةَ قَالَ

قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ ﷺ لأَنْ يُؤَدِّبَ الرَّجُلُ وَلَدَهُ خَيْرٌ مِنْ أَنْ يَتَصَدَّقَ بِصَاعٍ

Translation

Chain of narrators
  1. Qutaybah
  2. Yaḥyá b. Yaʿlá
  3. Nāṣiḥ
  4. Simāk b. Ḥarb
  5. Jābir b. Samurah

"That a man should discipline his son is better for him than to have given a Sa' in charity."

Notes

  • قَالَ أَبُو عِيسَى هَذَا حَدِيثٌ غَرِيبٌ وَنَاصِحٌ هُوَ ابْنُ الْعَلاَءِ كُوفِيٌّ لَيْسَ عِنْدَ أَهْلِ الْحَدِيثِ بِالْقَوِيِّ وَلاَ يُعْرَفُ هَذَا الْحَدِيثُ إِلاَّ مِنْ هَذَا الْوَجْهِ وَنَاصِحٌ شَيْخٌ آخَرُ بَصْرِيٌّ يَرْوِي عَنْ عَمَّارِ بْنِ أَبِي عَمَّارٍ وَغَيْرِهِ هُوَ أَثْبَتُ مِنْ هَذَا

    machine translationAbū ʿĪsā said: This ḥadīth is strange (gharīb). Nāṣiḥ is Ibn al-ʿAlāʾ, a Kūfan, who is not strong according to the scholars of ḥadīth. This ḥadīth is not known except through this route. Nāṣiḥ is also another shaykh, a Baṣran, who narrates from ʿAmmār b. Abī ʿAmmār and others; he is more reliable than this one.

Grades by grader

Zubair Ali ZaiWeakfawazahmed0, hadithunlocked, sunnah.com
Ahmad Muhammad ShakirDaiffawazahmed0
al-AlbaniWeakin ضعيف الترمذي, p. 1951fawazahmed0, hadithunlocked

What scholars said about it

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  • al-Tirmidhi

    هذا حديث غريب

    machine translationThis is a strange (gharīb) hadith.

    in جامع الترمذي, p. 2089
  • Abū Ḥatim al-Rāzī

    هذا حديث بهذا الإسناد منكر وناصح ضعيف الحديث

    machine translationThis ḥadīth with this chain is denounced (munkar), and Nāṣiḥ is weak in ḥadīth (ḍaʿīf al-ḥadīth).

    in جامع الترمذي, p. 2089
  • ابن عدي

    وهذه الأحاديث عن سماك عن جابر بن سمرة غير محفوظة ولناصح غير ما ذكرت وهو في جملة متشيعي أهل الكوفة وهو ممن يكتب حديثه

    machine translationThese ḥadīths from Simāk from Jābir b. Samurah are not preserved (ghayr maḥfūẓ). Nāṣiḥ has others besides what I have mentioned, and he is among the Shiʿites of the people of Kūfah, and is one whose ḥadīth is written down.

    in جامع الترمذي, p. 2089
  • ابن عدي

    أحاديث ناصح بن عبد الله عن سماك بن حرب عن جابر بن سمرة غير محفوظات

    machine translationThe ḥadīths of Nāṣiḥ b. ʿAbdullāh from Simāk b. Ḥarb from Jābir b. Samurah are not preserved (ghayr maḥfūẓāt).

    in جامع الترمذي, p. 2089
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  • Mubarakpūri

    وهو حديث ضعيف لأن ناصحا الراوي عن سماك ليس بقوي

    machine translationIt is a weak (ḍaʿīf) ḥadīth, because Nāṣiḥ, the narrator from Simāk, is not strong.

    in جامع الترمذي, p. 2089
  • al-Tirmidhi

    [فيه] ناصح ليس بالقوي

    machine translation[In it] is Nāṣiḥ, who is not strong.

    in سنن الترمذي, p. 1951
  • al-Tirmidhi

    غريب [فيه] ناصح أبو العلاء ليس عند أهل الحديث بالقوي

    machine translationStrange (gharīb). [In it] is Nāṣiḥ Abū al-ʿAlāʾ, who is not strong according to the scholars of ḥadīth.

    in سنن الترمذي, p. 1951

Other narrations of this report

Narrators

  1. Companion (ṣaḥābī)d. al-Ḥākim said: 72 AH, from Khalīfah b. Khayyāṭ: 73 AH, Abū Bakr b. Manjawayh and others said: 74 AH. It is reported from Abū ʿUbayd that he said: 66 AH, and that is a mistake
    جَابِرُ بْنُ سَمُرَةَ السُّوَائِيُّصحابي
    عن
  2. Truthful (ṣadūq); his narrations from ʿIkrimah in particular are inconsistent (muḍṭarib); he changed (taghayyara) towards the end of his life, and at times he would accept prompting (yulaqqan).d. 123 AH
    سِمَاكِ بْنِ حَرْبٍصدوق , وروايته عن عكرمة خاصة مضطربة , وقد تغير بأخرة ، فكان ربما يلقن
    عن
  3. weak (ḍaʿīf)d. between 151 and 160 AH
    نَاصِحٍضعيف
    عن
  4. weak (ḍaʿīf), Shiʿite (shīʿī)d. between 181 and 190 AH
    يَحْيَى بْنُ يَعْلَىضعيف ، شيعي
    حدثنا
  5. trustworthy, precise (thiqah thabt)d. 240 AH, or: 241 AH
    قُتَيْبَةُثقة ثبت
    حدثنا
  6. trustworthy, a memorizer (thiqah ḥāfiẓ)d. 279 AH, in Ikmāl al-Tahdhīb: 275 AH
    التِّرْمِذِيُّثقة حافظ

Who each narrator was and how reliable, from hdith.com

Latin names and English verdicts with a dotted underline are machine translations, not reviewed.

Commentaries

Mirqāt al-Mafātīḥ (al-Mullā ʿAlī Qārī)
Lamaʿāt al-Tanqīḥ (ʿAbd al-Ḥaqq al-Dihlawī)
Tuḥfat al-Aḥwadhī (Mubārakpūrī)

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