Jami' at-Tirmidhi 399

Translation

"The Prophet (S) turned (finished the prayer) after two (Rak'ah), so Dhul-Yadain said: 'Has the prayer been shortened or have you forgotten O Messenger of Allah?" The Prophet (S) said: 'Is what Dhul-Yadain said the truth?' The people said yes, so Messenger of Allah (S) stood to perform the last two (Rakah) of Salat, then he said the Taslim. Then he said the Takbir and prostrated in a manner the same or longer than his (normal) prostrations."

Notes

• قَالَ أَبُو عِيسَى وَفِي الْبَابِ عَنْ عِمْرَانَ بْنِ حُصَيْنٍ وَابْنِ عُمَرَ وَذِي الْيَدَيْنِ قَالَ أَبُو عِيسَى وَحَدِيثُ أَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ حَدِيثٌ حَسَنٌ صَحِيحٌ وَاخْتَلَفَ أَهْلُ الْعِلْمِ فِي هَذَا الْحَدِيثِ فَقَالَ بَعْضُ أَهْلِ الْكُوفَةِ إِذَا تَكَلَّمَ فِي الصَّلاَةِ نَاسِيًا أَوْ جَاهِلاً أَوْ مَا كَانَ فَإِنَّهُ يُعِيدُ الصَّلاَةَ وَاعْتَلُّوا بِأَنَّ هَذَا الْحَدِيثَ كَانَ قَبْلَ تَحْرِيمِ الْكَلاَمِ فِي الصَّلاَةِ قَالَ وَأَمَّا الشَّافِعِيُّ فَرَأَى هَذَا حَدِيثًا صَحِيحًا فَقَالَ بِهِ وَقَالَ هَذَا أَصَحُّ مِنَ الْحَدِيثِ الَّذِي رُوِيَ عَنِ النَّبِيِّ ﷺ فِي الصَّائِمِ إِذَا أَكَلَ نَاسِيًا فَإِنَّهُ لاَ يَقْضِي وَإِنَّمَا هُوَ رِزْقٌ رَزَقَهُ اللَّهُ قَالَ الشَّافِعِيُّ وَفَرَّقُوا هَؤُلاَءِ بَيْنَ الْعَمْدِ وَالنِّسْيَانِ فِي أَكْلِ الصَّائِمِ بِحَدِيثِ أَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ وَقَالَ أَحْمَدُ فِي حَدِيثِ أَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ إِنْ تَكَلَّمَ الإِمَامُ فِي شَيْءٍ مِنْ صَلاَتِهِ وَهُوَ يَرَى أَنَّهُ قَدْ أَكْمَلَهَا ثُمَّ عَلِمَ أَنَّهُ لَمْ يُكْمِلْهَا يُتِمُّ صَلاَتَهُ وَمَنْ تَكَلَّمَ خَلْفَ الإِمَامِ وَهُوَ يَعْلَمُ أَنَّ عَلَيْهِ بَقِيَّةً مِنَ الصَّلاَةِ فَعَلَيْهِ أَنْ يَسْتَقْبِلَهَا وَاحْتَجَّ بِأَنَّ الْفَرَائِضَ كَانَتْ تُزَادُ وَتُنْقَصُ عَلَى عَهْدِ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ ﷺ فَإِنَّمَا تَكَلَّمَ ذُو الْيَدَيْنِ وَهُوَ عَلَى يَقِينٍ مِنْ صَلاَتِهِ أَنَّهَا تَمَّتْ وَلَيْسَ هَكَذَا الْيَوْمَ لَيْسَ لأَحَدٍ أَنْ يَتَكَلَّمَ عَلَى مَعْنَى مَا تَكَلَّمَ ذُو الْيَدَيْنِ لأَنَّ الْفَرَائِضَ الْيَوْمَ لاَ يُزَادُ فِيهَا وَلاَ يُنْقَصُ قَالَ أَحْمَدُ نَحْوًا مِنْ هَذَا الْكَلاَمِ وَقَالَ إِسْحَاقُ نَحْوَ قَوْلِ أَحْمَدَ فِي الْبَابِ

  machine translationAbū ʿĪsā said: On this topic there are also narrations from ʿImrān b. Ḥuṣayn, Ibn ʿUmar and Dhū al-Yadayn. Abū ʿĪsā said: The hadith of Abū Hurayrah is a good and sound (ḥasan ṣaḥīḥ) hadith. The people of knowledge differed about this hadith. Some of the people of Kufa said: If a person speaks during the prayer, whether forgetfully, ignorantly or otherwise, he must repeat the prayer. They argued that this hadith was before speech in the prayer was prohibited. He said: As for al-Shāfiʿī, he regarded this as a sound hadith and held to it. He said: This is sounder than the hadith narrated from the Prophet ﷺ about the fasting person who eats forgetfully, that he does not have to make up the fast, and that it is only provision that Allah provided him. Al-Shāfiʿī said: These people distinguished between deliberate and forgetful eating of the fasting person on the basis of the hadith of Abū Hurayrah. Aḥmad said regarding the hadith of Abū Hurayrah: If the imam speaks during his prayer while thinking he has completed it, and then learns that he had not completed it, he completes his prayer. But whoever speaks behind the imam while knowing that some of the prayer remains upon him, must start it over. He argued that the obligations were being increased and decreased in the time of the Messenger of Allah ﷺ, so Dhū al-Yadayn only spoke while certain that his prayer had been completed. It is not like that today, and no one may speak in the sense in which Dhū al-Yadayn spoke, because the obligations today are neither increased nor decreased. Aḥmad said something similar to this statement. And Isḥāq said the same as the statement of Aḥmad on this topic. Report a problem

• قَالَ أَبُو عِيسَى وَحَدِيثُ أَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ حَدِيثٌ حَسَنٌ صَحِيحٌ. وَاخْتَلَفَ أَهْلُ الْعِلْمِ فِي هَذَا الْحَدِيثِ فَقَالَ بَعْضُ أَهْلِ الْكُوفَةِ إِذَا تَكَلَّمَ فِي الصَّلاَةِ نَاسِيًا أَوْ جَاهِلاً أَوْ مَا كَانَ فَإِنَّهُ يُعِيدُ الصَّلاَةَ وَاعْتَلُّوا بِأَنَّ هَذَا الْحَدِيثَ كَانَ قَبْلَ تَحْرِيمِ الْكَلاَمِ فِي الصَّلاَةِ. قَالَ وَأَمَّا الشَّافِعِيُّ فَرَأَى هَذَا حَدِيثًا صَحِيحًا فَقَالَ بِهِ وَقَالَ هَذَا أَصَحُّ مِنَ الْحَدِيثِ الَّذِي رُوِيَ عَنِ النَّبِيِّ صلى الله عليه وسلم فِي الصَّائِمِ إِذَا أَكَلَ نَاسِيًا فَإِنَّهُ لاَ يَقْضِي وَإِنَّمَا هُوَ رِزْقٌ رَزَقَهُ اللَّهُ. قَالَ الشَّافِعِيُّ وَفَرَّقُوا هَؤُلاَءِ بَيْنَ الْعَمْدِ وَالنِّسْيَانِ فِي أَكْلِ الصَّائِمِ بِحَدِيثِ أَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ. وَقَالَ أَحْمَدُ فِي حَدِيثِ أَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ إِنْ تَكَلَّمَ الإِمَامُ فِي شَيْءٍ مِنْ صَلاَتِهِ وَهُوَ يَرَى أَنَّهُ قَدْ أَكْمَلَهَا ثُمَّ عَلِمَ أَنَّهُ لَمْ يُكْمِلْهَا يُتِمُّ صَلاَتَهُ وَمَنْ تَكَلَّمَ خَلْفَ الإِمَامِ وَهُوَ يَعْلَمُ أَنَّ عَلَيْهِ بَقِيَّةً مِنَ الصَّلاَةِ فَعَلَيْهِ أَنْ يَسْتَقْبِلَهَا. وَاحْتَجَّ بِأَنَّ الْفَرَائِضَ كَانَتْ تُزَادُ وَتُنْقَصُ عَلَى عَهْدِ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم فَإِنَّمَا تَكَلَّمَ ذُو الْيَدَيْنِ وَهُوَ عَلَى يَقِينٍ مِنْ صَلاَتِهِ أَنَّهَا تَمَّتْ وَلَيْسَ هَكَذَا الْيَوْمَ لَيْسَ لأَحَدٍ أَنْ يَتَكَلَّمَ عَلَى مَعْنَى مَا تَكَلَّمَ ذُو الْيَدَيْنِ لأَنَّ الْفَرَائِضَ الْيَوْمَ لاَ يُزَادُ فِيهَا وَلاَ يُنْقَصُ. قَالَ أَحْمَدُ نَحْوًا مِنْ هَذَا الْكَلاَمِ. وَقَالَ إِسْحَاقُ نَحْوَ قَوْلِ أَحْمَدَ فِي الْبَابِ.

  machine translationAbū ʿĪsā said: The hadith of Abū Hurayrah is a good and sound (ḥasan ṣaḥīḥ) hadith. The people of knowledge differed about this hadith. Some of the people of Kufa said: If a person speaks during the prayer, whether forgetfully, ignorantly or otherwise, he must repeat the prayer. They argued that this hadith was before speech in the prayer was prohibited. He said: As for al-Shāfiʿī, he regarded this as a sound hadith and held to it. He said: This is sounder than the hadith narrated from the Prophet ﷺ about the fasting person who eats forgetfully, that he does not have to make up the fast, and that it is only provision that Allah provided him. Al-Shāfiʿī said: These people distinguished between deliberate and forgetful eating of the fasting person on the basis of the hadith of Abū Hurayrah. Aḥmad said regarding the hadith of Abū Hurayrah: If the imam speaks during his prayer while thinking he has completed it, and then learns that he had not completed it, he completes his prayer. But whoever speaks behind the imam while knowing that some of the prayer remains upon him, must start it over. He argued that the obligations were being increased and decreased in the time of the Messenger of Allah ﷺ, so Dhū al-Yadayn only spoke while certain that his prayer had been completed. It is not like that today, and no one may speak in the sense in which Dhū al-Yadayn spoke, because the obligations today are neither increased nor decreased. Aḥmad said something similar to this statement. And Isḥāq said the same as the statement of Aḥmad on this topic. Report a problem

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• Ibn ʿAbd al-Barr

  فإن قال قائل إن حديث ذي اليدين مضطرب لأن ابن عمر وأبا هريرة يقولان سلم من اثنتين وعمران بن حصين يقول من ثلاث ركعات ومعاوية بن حديج يقول إن المتكلم طلحة بن عبيد الله قيل له ليس اختلافهم في موضع السلام من الصلاة عند أحد من أهل العلم بخلاف يقدح في حديثهم لأن المعنى المراد من الحديث هو البناء بعد الكلام ولا فرق عند أهل العلم بين المسلم من ثلاث أو من اثنتين لأن كل واحد منهما لم يكمل صلاته وأما ما ذكر في حديث معاوية بن حديج من ذكر طلحة بن عبيد الله فممكن أن يكون أيضا طلحة كلمه وغيره وليس في أن يكلمه طلحة وغيره ما يدفع أن ذا اليدين كلمه أيضا فأدى كل ما سمع على حسب ما سمع

  machine translationIf someone says: the hadith of Dhū l-Yadayn is inconsistent (muḍṭarib), because Ibn ʿUmar and Abū Hurayrah say that he gave the salām after two units, while ʿImrān b. Ḥuṣayn says after three units, and Muʿāwiyah b. Ḥudayj says that the one who spoke was Ṭalḥah b. ʿUbaydillāh, it is said to him: their disagreement about the point of the prayer at which the salām was given is not, according to any of the people of knowledge, a disagreement that undermines their hadith, because the meaning intended by the hadith is building on the prayer after speaking. There is no difference among the people of knowledge between one who gave the salām after three or after two, because neither of them had completed his prayer. As for what is mentioned in the hadith of Muʿāwiyah b. Ḥudayj about Ṭalḥah b. ʿUbaydillāh, it is possible that Ṭalḥah and others also spoke to him, and Ṭalḥah and others speaking to him does not rule out that Dhū l-Yadayn also spoke to him. So each one reported what he heard according to what he heard. Report a problem

  in جامع الترمذي, p. 407

Other narrations of this report

Sunan an-Nasa'i 1331Musannaf Ibn Abi Shaybah 4449Musannaf Ibn Abi Shaybah 4546Musannaf Ibn Abi Shaybah 4547Musnad al-Tayalisi 889al-Sunan al-Kubra (al-Nasa'i) 1161

Narrators

1. 1
   Abū Hurayrah al-Dawsī

   The illustrious Companion, the memorizer among the Companions (ḥāfiẓ al-ṣaḥābah)d. 57 AH, or: 58 AH, or: 59 AH
   أَبُو هُرَيْرَةَ الدَّوْسِيُّالصحابي الجليل ، حافظ الصحابة
   عن
2. 2
   Muḥammad b. Sīrīn

   Trustworthy (thiqah), reliable (thabt), devout (ʿābid), of great standing; he did not permit narration by meaning.d. 110 AH
   مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ سِيرِينَثقة ثبت عابد كبير القدر ، كان لا يرى الرواية بالمعنى
   عن
3. 3
   Ayyūb al-Sakhtiyānī

   Trustworthy (thiqah), firmly reliable (thabt), an authority (ḥujjah), one of the leading jurists and devout worshippersd. 130 AH, or 131 AH, or 132 AH, also said: 124 AH, also said: 125 AH, also said: 129 AH
   أَيُّوبَ بْنِ أَبِي تَمِيمَةَ ، وَهُوَ السَّخْتِيَانِيُّثقة ثبت حجة ، من كبار الفقهاء العباد
   عن
4. 4
   Mālik b. Anas

   The jurist (al-faqīh), the Imam of the Abode of Migration (Imām Dār al-Hijrah), the head of the proficient masters, and the foremost among the meticulous.d. 178 AH, or 179 AH
   مَالِكٌالفقيه ، إمام دار الهجرة ، رأس المتقنين ، وكبير المتثبتين
   حدثنا
5. 5
   Maʿn

   trustworthy, precise (thiqah thabt)d. 198 AH, or: 199 AH
   مَعْنٌثقة ثبت
   حدثنا
6. 6
   Isḥāq b. Mūsā al-Anṣārī

   trustworthy (thiqah), meticulous (mutqin)d. 244 AH
   الْأَنْصَارِيُّثقة متقن
   حدثنا
7. 7
   al-Tirmidhī

   trustworthy, a memorizer (thiqah ḥāfiẓ)d. 279 AH, in Ikmāl al-Tahdhīb: 275 AH
   التِّرْمِذِيُّثقة حافظ

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