Jami' at-Tirmidhi 1400
What Has Been Related About A Man Who Kills His Son: Is He To Suffer Requital For Him Or Not ?
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حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو سَعِيدٍ الأَشَجُّ حَدَّثَنَا الأَحْمَرُ عَنِ الْحَجَّاجِ بْنِ أَرْطَاةَ عَنْ عَمْرِو بْنِ شُعَيْبٍ عَنْ أَبِيهِ عَنْ جَدِّهِ عَنْ عُمَرَ بْنِ الْخَطَّابِ قَالَ سَمِعْتُ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ ﷺ يَقُولُ
لاَ يُقَادُ الْوَالِدُ بِالْوَلَدِ
Translation
Chain of narrators
- Abū Saʿīd al-Ashaj
- al-Aḥmar
- al-Ḥajjāj b. Arṭāh
- ʿAmr b. Shuʿayb
- his father
- his father
- ʿUmar b. al-Khaṭṭāb
- Rasūl Allāh ﷺ
that the Messenger of Allah ﷺ said: "The father does not suffer retaliation for [killing] the son."
Grades by grader
| Zubair Ali Zai | Weak | fawazahmed0, hadithunlocked, sunnah.com |
|---|---|---|
| Ahmad Muhammad Shakir | Sahih | fawazahmed0 |
| al-Albani | Sahih | fawazahmed0 |
| al-Tirmidhi | Weak Chainin سنن الترمذي, p. 1400 | hadithunlocked |
What scholars said about it
In their own words, as Hadith Unlocked records them. They are shown, not summarised into a grade.
- ابن عبد الهادي الحنبلي
قال يحيى بن معين في حجاج صدوق ليس بالقوي يدلس عن محمد بن عبيد الله العرزمي عن عمرو بن شعيب وقال ابن المبارك كان الحجاج يدلس فيحدثنا بالحديث عن عمرو بن شعيب مما يحدثه العرزمي والعرزمي متروك
machine translationYaḥyā b. Maʿīn said about Ḥajjāj: truthful (ṣadūq), not strong (laysa bi-l-qawī); he practiced concealment (yudallis) from Muḥammad b. ʿUbaydillāh al-ʿArzamī, from ʿAmr b. Shuʿayb. Ibn al-Mubārak said: Ḥajjāj used to practice concealment (yudallis), so he would narrate to us a hadith from ʿAmr b. Shuʿayb which was in fact something that al-ʿArzamī narrated, and al-ʿArzamī is abandoned (matrūk).
in جامع الترمذي, p. 1474 - Dāraquṭnī
عمرو بن شعيب واختلف عليه فيه فرواه الحجاج بن أرطاة والمثنى بن الصباح ومحمد بن عجلان وعبد الله بن لهيعة عن عمرو بن شعيب عن أبيه عن جده عن عمر عن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم ورواه يحيى بن سعيد الأنصاري عن عمرو بن شعيب واختلف عنه فرواه إسماعيل بن عياش عن يحيى بن سعيد عن عمرو بن شعيب عن أبيه عن جده ورواه علي بن مسهر عن يحيى بن سعيد عن عمرو بن شعيب عن أبيه عن عمر ورواه مالك بن أنس وحماد بن سلمة وأبو خالد الأحمر وهشيم ويزيد بن هارون وغيرهم عن يحيى بن سعيد عن عمرو بن شعيب مرسلا عن عمر عن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم وكذلك رواه عبد الكريم أبو أمية عن عمرو بن شعيب مرسلا أيضا عن عمر والمرسل أولى بالصواب
machine translationʿAmr b. Shuʿayb: there is disagreement about him in this report. Al-Ḥajjāj b. Arṭāh, al-Muthannā b. al-Ṣabbāḥ, Muḥammad b. ʿAjlān and ʿAbdullāh b. Lahīʿah narrated it from ʿAmr b. Shuʿayb, from his father, from his grandfather, from ʿUmar, from the Prophet ﷺ. Yaḥyā b. Saʿīd al-Anṣārī narrated it from ʿAmr b. Shuʿayb, and there is disagreement about him as well: Ismāʿīl b. ʿAyyāsh narrated it from Yaḥyā b. Saʿīd, from ʿAmr b. Shuʿayb, from his father, from his grandfather. ʿAlī b. Mushir narrated it from Yaḥyā b. Saʿīd, from ʿAmr b. Shuʿayb, from his father, from ʿUmar. Mālik b. Anas, Ḥammād b. Salamah, Abū Khālid al-Aḥmar, Hushaym, Yazīd b. Hārūn and others narrated it from Yaḥyā b. Saʿīd, from ʿAmr b. Shuʿayb as a mursal report from ʿUmar, from the Prophet ﷺ. Likewise ʿAbd al-Karīm Abū Umayyah narrated it from ʿAmr b. Shuʿayb, also as a mursal report from ʿUmar. The mursal version is more likely to be correct.
in جامع الترمذي, p. 1474 - Ishbīlī
معلول لا يصح
machine translationIt is defective (maʿlūl) and not authentic.
in جامع الترمذي, p. 1474 - Ibn Ḥajar al-ʿAsqalānī
وإسماعيل بن مسلم المكي تكلم فيه بعض أهل العلم من قبل حفظه قال الحافظ لكن تابعه الحسن بن عبيد الله العنبري عن عمرو بن دينار
in جامع الترمذي, p. 1474
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- Ishbīlī
هذه الأحاديث كلها معلولة لا يصح منها شيء
in جامع الترمذي, p. 1474 - Abū Bakr Aḥmad b. al-Ḥusayn al-Bayhaqī
طرق هذا الحديث منقطعة
in جامع الترمذي, p. 1474 - Ibn Ḥajar al-ʿAsqalānī
في إسناده الحجاج بن أرطاة
machine translationIn its chain of transmission is al-Ḥajjāj b. Arṭāh.
in جامع الترمذي, p. 1474 - ابن الملقن
وعلته الحجاج بن أرطاة
in جامع الترمذي, p. 1474 - al-Tirmidhi
فيه اضطراب
machine translationThere is inconsistency (iḍṭirāb) in it.
in سنن الترمذي, p. 1400
Other narrations of this report
Jami' at-Tirmidhi 1401al-Mu'jam al-Kabir (al-Tabarani) 10875al-Sunan al-Kubra (al-Bayhaqi) 16064Sunan al-Daraqutni 3275Musnad al-Bazzar 4841Musnad al-Bazzar 4842
Narrators
- Commander of the Faithful (amīr al-muʾminīn), well-known, of abundant virtues (jamm al-manāqib)d. 23 AH, also said: 24 AHعُمَر بْن الْخَطَّابأمير المؤمنين مشهور جم المناقبعن
- One of the early Companions (sābiqūn), among those who narrated abundantly, and one of the jurist ʿAbdullāhs (al-ʿabādilah)d. 63 AH, or 65 AH, or 68 AH, or 69 AH; also said 67 AH, also said 73 AH, also said 77 AHجَدِّهِأحد السابقين ، المكثرين من الصحابة ، وأحد العبادلة الفقهاءعن
- Truthful (ṣadūq); his hearing from his grandfather is established (thābit)d. between 81 and 90 AHأَبِيهِصدوق ، ثبت سماعه من جدهعن
- truthful (ṣadūq)d. 118 AHعَمْرِو بْنِ شُعَيْبٍصدوقعن
- Truthful (ṣadūq), who made many errors and practiced much concealment (tadlīs)d. 145 AH, or before it, or 147 AHالْحَجَّاجِ بْنِ أَرْطَاةَصدوق كثير الخطأ والتدليسعن
- truthful (ṣadūq), makes mistakes (yukhṭiʾ)d. 189 AH, or 190 AHأَبُو خَالِدٍ الْأَحْمَرُصدوق يخطئحدثنا
- trustworthy (thiqah)d. 256 AH, or 257 AH, in the book "Zahrat al-Mutaʿallimīn": died (223 AH). Mughulṭāy said: "I have not seen it from anyone else, so it should be examined".أَبُو سَعِيدٍ الْأَشَجُّثقةحدثنا
- trustworthy, a memorizer (thiqah ḥāfiẓ)d. 279 AH, in Ikmāl al-Tahdhīb: 275 AHالتِّرْمِذِيُّثقة حافظ
Who each narrator was and how reliable, from hdith.com
Latin names and English verdicts with a dotted underline are machine translations, not reviewed.
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