Musnad al-Tayalisi 1119
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حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو دَاوُدَ، قَالَ: حَدَّثَنَا شُعْبَةُ، قَالَ: أَخْبَرَنِي سَلَمَةُ بْنُ كُهَيْلٍ، قَالَ: سَمِعْتُ حُجْرًا أَبَا الْعَنْبَسِ، قَالَ: سَمِعْتُ عَلْقَمَةَ بْنَ وَائِلٍ يُحَدِّثُ عَنْ وَائِلٍ - وَقَدْ سَمِعْتُهُ مِنْ وَائِلٍ
أَنَّهُ صَلَّى مَعَ النَّبِيِّ ﷺ، فَلَمَّا قَرَأَ غَيْرِ الْمَغْضُوبِ عَلَيْهِمْ وَلا الضَّالِّينَ قَالَ: " آمِينَ "، خَفَضَ بِهَا صَوْتَهُ وَوَضَعَ يَدَهُ الْيُمْنَى عَلَى يَدِهِ الْيُسْرَى وَسَلَّمَ عَنْ يَمِينِهِ وَعَنْ يَسَارِهِ
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Chain of narrators
- Abū Dāwud
- Shuʿbah
- Salamah b. Kuhayl
- Ḥujr Abū al-ʿAnbas
- ʿAlqamah b. Wāʾil Yuḥaddith
- Wāʾil and Qad Samiʿtuh Min Wāʾil
✧ He prayed with the Prophet ﷺ, and when he recited 'not of those who earned anger nor of those who went astray,' he said: 'Amin,' lowering his voice, and he placed his right hand over his left hand, and he said the salam to his right and to his left.
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- Ibn Ḥajar al-ʿAsqalānī
رواية شعبة شاذة ضعيفة
machine translationThe narration of Shuʿbah is irregular (shādhdh) and weak (ḍaʿīf).
in مسند الطيالسي, p. 1119 - Dāraquṭnī
هذا عندي خطأ إنما هو حجر بن عنبس عن وائل وهذا من ابن أبي ليلى فإنه كان سيئ الحفظ
machine translationIn my view this is a mistake. It is only Ḥujr b. ʿAnbas, from Wāʾil. This comes from Ibn Abī Laylā, for he was poor in memorization (sayyiʾ al-ḥifẓ).
in مسند الطيالسي, p. 1119 - al-Bukhari
حديث سفيان أصح وأخطأ فيه شعبة في مواضع قال عن حجر أبي العنبس إنما هو أبو السكن وزاد فيه علقمة وليس فيه علقمة وقال خفض بها صوته وإنما هو ومد بها صوته
machine translationThe hadith of Sufyān is more authentic, and Shuʿbah made mistakes in it in several places. He said "from Ḥujr Abū al-ʿAnbas", but it is only Abū al-Sakan. He added ʿAlqamah, yet ʿAlqamah is not in it. And he said "he lowered his voice with it", but it is only "he extended his voice with it".
in مسند الطيالسي, p. 1119 - Ibn Ḥajar al-ʿAsqalānī
وقد رجحت رواية سفيان بمتابعة اثنين له بخلاف شعبة فلذلك جزم النقاد بأن روايته أصح
machine translationThe narration of Sufyān was given preference because two others corroborated him, unlike Shuʿbah. For that reason the critics were firm that his narration is more authentic.
in مسند الطيالسي, p. 1119
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- al-Bukhari
أن شعبة وهم في قوله خفض صوته وإنما هو مد صوته حديث سفيان أصح من حديث شعبة في هذا وأخطأ شعبة في مواضع من هذا الحديث فقال
machine translationShuʿbah erred in saying "he lowered his voice"; it is rather "he extended his voice". The ḥadīth of Sufyān is more authentic than the ḥadīth of Shuʿbah in this matter, and Shuʿbah made mistakes in several places in this ḥadīth, so he said:
in مسند الطيالسي, p. 1119 - أبو زرعة الرازي
حديث سفيان في هذا أصح أي من حديث شعبة
machine translationThe ḥadīth of Sufyān in this matter is more authentic, that is, than the ḥadīth of Shuʿbah.
in مسند الطيالسي, p. 1119 - ابن عبد الهادي الحنبلي
طعن في حديث شعبة هذا بأنه قد روى عنه خلافه
machine translationHe criticized this ḥadīth of Shuʿbah on the grounds that the opposite has been narrated from him.
in مسند الطيالسي, p. 1119 - Abū Bakr Aḥmad b. al-Ḥusayn al-Bayhaqī
أجمع الحفاظ على أن شعبة أخطأ
machine translationThe ḥadīth masters (ḥuffāẓ) agreed that Shuʿbah made a mistake.
in مسند الطيالسي, p. 1119 - Ibn al-Qayyim
يقال إنه وهم فيه وهو الصواب
machine translationIt is said that he erred in it, and that is the correct view.
in مسند الطيالسي, p. 1119 - al-Bukhari
حديث سفيان أصح من حديث شعبة وأخطأ شعبة في مواضع فقال حجر أبي العنبس وإنما هو حجر بن العنبس ويكنى أبا السكن وزاد فيه علقمة وإنما هو حجر عن أبي وائل وقال خفض بها صوته وإنما هو مد بها صوته
machine translationThe hadith of Sufyān is more authentic than the hadith of Shuʿbah. Shuʿbah made mistakes in several places. He said "Ḥujr Abū al-ʿAnbas", but it is only Ḥujr b. al-ʿAnbas, whose kunyah is Abū al-Sakan. He added ʿAlqamah, but it is only Ḥujr from Abū Wāʾil. And he said "he lowered his voice with it", but it is only "he extended his voice with it".
in مسند الطيالسي, p. 1119 - Badr al-Dīn al-ʿAynī
تخطئة مثل شعبة خطأ وكيف وهو أمير المؤمنين في الحديث وقوله هو حجر بن العنبس وليس بأبي العنبس ليس كما قاله بل هو أبو العنبس حجر بن العنبس وجزم به ابن حبان في الثقات فقال كنيته كاسم أبيه وقول محمد يكنى أبا السكن لا ينافي أن تكون كنيته أيضا أبا العنبس لأنه لا مانع أن يكون لشخص كنيتان وقوله وزاد فيه علقمة لا يضر لأن الزيادة من الثقة مقبولة ولا سيما من مثل شعبة وقوله وقال وخفض بها صوته وإنما هو ومد بها صوته
machine translationTo declare a man like Shuʿbah mistaken is itself a mistake, and how could it not be, when he is the Commander of the Believers in ḥadīth. His statement that he is Ḥujr b. al-ʿAnbas and not Abū l-ʿAnbas is not as he said; rather he is Abū l-ʿAnbas Ḥujr b. al-ʿAnbas, and Ibn Ḥibbān asserted this in al-Thiqāt, saying: his kunyah is the same as his father's name. And the statement of Muḥammad that he is called Abū l-Sakan does not contradict his also having the kunyah Abū l-ʿAnbas, since nothing prevents a person from having two kunyahs. As for his statement that he added ʿAlqamah in it, this does no harm, because an addition from a trustworthy (thiqah) narrator is accepted, especially from one like Shuʿbah. And his statement that he said "and he lowered his voice with it", whereas it is rather "and he extended his voice with it".
in مسند الطيالسي, p. 1119 - Mubarakpūri
ليس فيه اضطراب بل هى رواية راجحة ردا على الأحناف
machine translationThere is no inconsistency (iḍṭirāb) in it; rather it is the preponderant report, in reply to the Ḥanafīs.
in مسند الطيالسي, p. 1119 - Dāraquṭnī
صحح حديثه
machine translationHe declared his hadith authentic (ṣaḥḥaḥa).
in مسند الطيالسي, p. 1119 - الزيلعى
طعن صاحب التنقيح في حديث شعبة هذا بأنه قد روي عنه خلافه كما أخرجه البيهقي في سننه عن أبي الوليد الطيالسي ثنا شعبة عن سلمة بن كهيل سمعت حجرا أبا عنبس يحدث عن وائل الحضرمي أنه صلى خلف النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم فلما قال ولا الضالين قال آمين رافعا بها صوته قال فهذه الرواية توافق رواية سفيان
machine translationThe author of al-Tanqīḥ criticized this ḥadīth of Shuʿbah on the grounds that the opposite has also been narrated from him, as al-Bayhaqī recorded in his Sunan from Abū l-Walīd al-Ṭayālisī: Shuʿbah narrated to us, from Salamah b. Kuhayl: I heard Ḥujr Abū ʿAnbas narrating from Wāʾil al-Ḥaḍramī that he prayed behind the Prophet ﷺ, and when he said "wa lā l-ḍāllīn" he said "Āmīn", raising his voice with it. He said: This narration agrees with the narration of Sufyān.
in مسند الطيالسي, p. 1119 - al-Bukhari
واعلم أن في الحديث علة أخرى ذكرها الترمذي في علله الكبير فقال سألت محمد بن إسماعيل هل سمع علقمة من أبيه فقال إنه ولد بعد موت أبيه لستة أشهر
machine translationKnow that there is another defect (ʿillah) in the hadith, which al-Tirmidhī mentioned in his al-ʿIlal al-Kabīr, saying: I asked Muḥammad b. Ismāʿīl whether ʿAlqamah heard from his father, and he said: He was born six months after his father's death.
in مسند الطيالسي, p. 1119 - al-Bukhari
أخطأ شعبة في مواضع منه
machine translationShuʿbah made mistakes in several places in it.
in مسند الطيالسي, p. 1119
Other narrations of this report
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Narrators
- Eminent Companion (ṣaḥābī jalīl)d. 44 AHوَائِلُ بْنُ حُجْرِ بْنِ سَعْدٍ الْحَضْرَمِيُّصحابي جليلسمعت
- truthful (ṣadūq)d. between 81 and 90 AHحُجْرًا أَبَا الْعَنْبَسِصدوقسمعت
- trustworthy (thiqah)d. 121 AH, or 122 AH, or 123 AHسَلَمَةُ بْنُ كُهَيْلٍثقةأخبرني
- Trustworthy (thiqah), a retentive memorizer (ḥāfiẓ), meticulous (mutqin)d. 160 AHشُعْبَةُثقة حافظ , متقنحدثنا
- trustworthy (thiqah), a retentive memorizer (ḥāfiẓ), who erred in some hadithsd. 203 AH, or 204 AHأَبُو دَاوُدَثقة حافظ , غلط في أحاديث
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