Musnad al-Bazzar 4163
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4163 4158 - وَحَدَّثَنَاهُ مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ مَعْمَرٍ، قَالَ: نَا رَوْحُ بْنُ عُبَادَةَ، قَالَ:
نَا سَعِيدٌ، عَنْ قَتَادَةَ، عَنْ شَهْرِ بْنِ حَوْشَبٍ، عَنْ عَبْدِ الرَّحْمَنِ بْنِ غَنْمٍ، عَنْ ثَوْبَانَ، عَنِ النَّبِيِّ ﷺ بِمِثْلِهِ. وَهَذِهِ الْأَسَانِيدُ عَنْ ثَوْبَانَ فِي " أَفْطَرَ الْحَاجِمُ وَالْمَحْجُومُ " أَسَانِيدُهَا حِسَانٌ، أَمَّا قَتَادَةُ عَنْ شَهْرٍ فَلَا نَعْلَمُ رَوَاهُ عَنْ قَتَادَةَ إِلَّا سَعِيدُ بْنُ أَبِي عَرُوبَةَ، وَأَمَّا قَتَادَةُ عَنْ سَالِمٍ فَلَا نَعْلَمُ رَوَاهُ عَنْ قَتَادَةَ إِلَّا بُكَيْرُ بْنُ أَبِي السَّمِيطِ وَهُوَ شَيْخٌ مِنْ أَهْلِ الْبَصْرَةِ لَيْسَ بِهِ بَأْسٌ، إِلَّا أَنَّ هَذَا الْحَدِيثَ لَيْسَ بِمَحْفُوظٍ عَنْ قَتَادَةَ عَنْ سَالِمٍ، وَأَحْسَبُ أَنَّ بُكَيْرًا أَخْطَأَ فِيهِ إِذْ قَالَ: عَنْ سَالِمٍ، وَقَدْ رَوَاهُ عَنِ اللَّيْثِ بْنِ سَعْدٍ عَنْ قَتَادَةَ عَنِ الْحَسَنِ عَنْ ثَوْبَانَ فَأَوْهَمَ فِيهِ ; لِأَنَّ الثِّقَاتِ يَرْوُونَهُ عَنِ الْحَسَنِ عَنْ أَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ وَأَخْطَأَ اللَّيْثُ فِيهِ، وَرَوَاهُ أَيُّوبُ بْنُ أَبِي سُكَيْنٍ الْوَاسِطِيُّ عَنْ قَتَادَةَ عَنْ شَهْرِ بْنِ حَوْشَبٍ عَنْ بِلَالٍ، وَأَخْطَأَ فِيهِ، وَيُقَالُ: ابْنُ مِسْكِينٍ، وَكُنْيَةُ أَيُّوبَ أَبُو الْعَلَاءِ، وَالْحَدِيثُ عِنْدِي أَشْبَهُ بِحَدِيثِ ابْنِ أَبِي عَرُوبَةَ لِأَنَّهُ أَحْفَظُ مِنْ غَيْرِهِ
Translation
Chain of narrators
- Muḥammad b. Maʿmar
- Rawḥ b. ʿUbādah
✧ Sa'id narrated to us, from Qatadah, from Shahr b. Hawshab, from Abd al-Rahman b. Ghanm, from Thawban, from the Prophet ﷺ with the like of it. These chains from Thawban regarding 'The cupper and the one cupped have broken their fast' are good chains. As for Qatadah from Shahr, we do not know anyone who narrated it from Qatadah except Sa'id b. Abi Arubah. As for Qatadah from Salim, we do not know anyone who narrated it from Qatadah except Bukayr b. Abi al-Samit, who is a shaykh from Basra and is acceptable. However, this hadith is not preserved from Qatadah from Salim. I think Bukayr erred in it when he said 'from Salim.' Al-Layth b. Sa'd narrated it from Qatadah from al-Hasan from Thawban and made a mistake in it, because the reliable narrators narrate it from al-Hasan from Abu Hurayrah, and al-Layth erred in it. Ayyub b. Abi Sukayn al-Wasiti narrated it from Qatadah from Shahr b. Hawshab from Bilal and erred in it. He is also called Ibn Miskin, and Ayyub's kunyah is Abu al-Ala. In my view, the hadith is more likely the hadith of Ibn Abi Arubah because he is more retentive than others.
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- M. ibn Ḥibbān al-Bustī
صح الحديثان جميعا
machine translationBoth hadiths are authentic (ṣaḥīḥ).
in مسند البزار, p. 4163 - Abū ʿAbdullāh al-Ḥākim
صح الحديثان جميعا
machine translationBoth hadiths are authentic (ṣaḥīḥ).
in مسند البزار, p. 4163 - Aḥmad b. Ḥanbal
قال أبو داود قلت لأحمد بن حنبل أي حديث أصح في أفطر الحاجم والمحجوم قال حديث ثوبان
machine translationAbū Dāwūd said: I asked Aḥmad b. Ḥanbal, "Which hadith is the soundest (aṣaḥḥ) on 'the one who performs cupping and the one who has it done have both broken their fast'?" He said: "The hadith of Thawbān."
in مسند البزار, p. 4163 - Bazzār
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in مسند البزار, p. 4163
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- al-Bukhari
صححه
machine translationHe declared it sound (ṣaḥḥaḥahu).
in مسند البزار, p. 4163 - ʿAlī al-Madīnī
صححه
machine translationHe declared it sound (ṣaḥḥaḥahu).
in مسند البزار, p. 4163 - al-Bukhari
هو أصح ما روي فيه
machine translationIt is the most authentic of what has been narrated on the subject.
in مسند البزار, p. 4163 - عثمان بن سعيد بن خالد السجستاني
صح حديث أفطر الحاجم والمحجوم من طريق ثوبان وشداد قال وسمعت أحمد يذكر ذلك
machine translationThe hadith "The one who performs cupping and the one on whom it is performed have both broken their fast" is authentic (ṣaḥīḥ) through the routes of Thawbān and Shaddād. He said: I heard Aḥmad mention that.
in مسند البزار, p. 4163 - Ibn Khuzaymah
صح الحديثان جميعا
machine translationBoth hadiths are authentic (ṣaḥīḥ).
in مسند البزار, p. 4163
Other narrations of this report
Narrators
- Companion (ṣaḥābī)d. 54 AH, also said: 44 AH, also said 45 AHثَوْبَانُ بْنُ بُجْدُدَ مَوْلَى رَسُولِ اللَّهِصحابيعن
- His status as a Companion is disputed (mukhtalaf fī ṣuḥbatihi)d. 78 AHعبد الرحمن بن غنم الأشعريمختلف في صحبتهعن
- Truthful (ṣadūq), frequently narrated mursal reports (kathīr al-irsāl) and made many errors (awhām)d. 98 AH, or 99 AH, or 100 AH, or 101 AH, or 111 AH, or 112 AHشهر بن حوشبصدوق , كثير الإرسال والأوهامعن
- trustworthy, precise (thiqah thabt)d. 117 AH, or: 118 AHقتادة بن دعامةثقة ثبتعن
- Trustworthy (thiqah), a memorizer (ḥāfiẓ), author of several works; however, he committed concealment (tadlīs) very often and his memory became confused (ikhtalaṭa), and he was among the most reliable of people in narrating from Qatādahd. 150 AH or 155 AH or 156 AH or 157 AHسعيد بن أبي عروبةثقة حافظ ، له تصانيف ؛ لكنه كثير التدليس واختلط ، وكان من أثبت الناس في قتادةنا
- Trustworthy (thiqah), excellent, he authored worksd. 205 AH, also said: 207 AHرَوْحُ بْنُ عُبَادَةَثقة فاضل ، له تصانيفنا
- truthful (ṣadūq)d. Ibn Ḥibbān said: died after 250 AH, al-Dhahabī said: 256 AHمُحَمَّدُ بْنُ مَعْمَرٍصدوقحدثنا
- d. 291 AH or 292 AH or 294 AHالبزار
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