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Mishkat al-Masabih 5725

The Beginning of Creation, and Mention of the Prophets - Section 2

عَن أبي رزين قَالَ: قلت: يَا رَسُول الله أَيْن رَبُّنَا قَبْلَ أَنْ يَخْلُقَ خَلْقَهُ؟ قَالَ: «كَانَ فِي عَمَاءٍ مَا تَحْتَهُ هَوَاءٌ وَمَا فَوْقَهُ هَوَاءٌ وَخَلَقَ عَرْشَهُ عَلَى الْمَاءِ». رَوَاهُ التِّرْمِذِيُّ وَقَالَ: قَالَ يَزِيدُ بْنُ هَارُونَ: الْعَمَاءُ: أَيْ لَيْسَ مَعَه شَيْء

Translation

Abu Razin told that he asked God's messenger, "Where was our Lord before He created the creation?" to which he replied, "He was in obscurity ( 'ama' ) with no air below Him and no air above Him, and He created His Throne on the water." Tirmidhi transmitted it. Yazid b. Harun[1] said `ama' means that there was nothing with Him[2]. Al-Wasiti (d.206), a highly estimated authority who appears in the course of the isnad. The word 'ama' presents difficulty. It commonly means `clouds', but this is felt to be inappropriate here unless figuratively in the sense of God being veiled. It is suggested that this means it is a matter which the mind cannot grasp. Cf. Mirqat, 5:349.

Grades by grader

Ahmad Muhammad ShakirDaifgraded on tirmidhi:3109fawazahmed0
Bashar Awad MaaroufHasangraded on tirmidhi:3109fawazahmed0
Muhammad Fuad Abd al-BaqiDaifgraded on ibnmajah:182fawazahmed0
Shuayb al-ArnautDaifgraded on ibnmajah:182fawazahmed0
Zubair Ali ZaiGoodgraded on tirmidhi:3109fawazahmed0, hadithunlocked, sunnah.com
al-AlbaniWeakin ضعيف سنن الترمذي, p. 3109graded on tirmidhi:3109fawazahmed0, hadithunlocked
al-TirmidhiGoodin سنن الترمذي, p. 3109graded on tirmidhi:3109hadithunlocked

Same hadith, other wordings

  • Jami at-Tirmidzi 3109يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ أَيْنَ كَانَ رَبُّنَا قَبْلَ أَنْ يَخْلُقَ خَلْقَهُ قَالَ كَانَ فِي عَمَاءٍ مَا تَحْتَهُ هَوَاءٌ وَمَا فَوْقَهُ هَوَاءٌ وَخَلَقَ عَرْشَهُ عَلَى الْمَاءِ
  • Sunan Ibnu Majah 182قُلْتُ يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ أَيْنَ كَانَ رَبُّنَا قَبْلَ أَنْ يَخْلُقَ خَلْقَهُ قَالَ كَانَ فِي عَمَاءٍ مَا تَحْتَهُ هَوَاءٌ وَمَا فَوْقَهُ هَوَاءٌ ثُمَّ خَلَقَ الْعَرْشَ عَلَى الْمَاءِ

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