Musnad al-Bazzar 3701
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3701 3710 - حَدَّثَنَا الْحَسَنُ بْنُ عَرَفَةَ قَالَ: نَا هُشَيْمٌ قَالَ: نَا عَبْدُ الْحَمِيدِ بْنُ جَعْفَرٍ قَالَ:
حَدَّثَنِي مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ عَمْرِو بْنِ عَطَاءٍ، عَنْ أَبِي حُمَيْدٍ السَّاعِدِيِّ
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- al-Ḥasan b. ʿArafah
- Hushaym
- ʿAbd al-Ḥamīd b. Jaʿfar
✧ Muhammad b. 'Amr b. 'Ata' narrated to me, from Abu Humayd al-Sa'idi.
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- Badr al-Dīn al-ʿAynī
إن احتج الخصم بحديث أبي حميد الساعدي فجوابه أن أبا داود قد أخرجه من وجوه كثيرة أحدها عن أحمد بن حنبل وليس فيه ذكر رفع اليدين عند الركوع والطريق الذي فيه ذلك فهو عن عبد الحميد بن جعفر فهو ضعيف
machine translationIf the opponent argues from the hadith of Abū Ḥumayd al-Sāʿidī, the answer is that Abū Dāwūd transmitted it through many routes. One of them is from Aḥmad b. Ḥanbal, and it does not mention raising the hands at the bowing. The route in which that is mentioned is from ʿAbd al-Ḥamīd b. Jaʿfar, and he is weak (ḍaʿīf).
in مسند البزار, p. 3701 - Abū Ḥatim al-Rāzī
أنكر سماع محمد بن عمرو بن عطاء لهذا الحديث من أبي حميد وقال بينهما رجل
machine translationHe denied that Muḥammad b. ʿAmr b. ʿAṭāʾ heard this hadith from Abū Ḥumayd, and said that there was a man between them.
in مسند البزار, p. 3701 - Taḥāwī
أنكر سماع محمد بن عمرو بن عطاء لهذا الحديث من أبي حميد وقال بينهما رجل
machine translationHe denied that Muḥammad b. ʿAmr b. ʿAṭāʾ heard this hadith from Abū Ḥumayd, and said that there was a man between them.
in مسند البزار, p. 3701 - Taḥāwī
هذا الحديث لم يسمعه محمد بن عمرو بن عطاء من أبي حميد ولا من أحد ذكر مع أبي حميد وبينهما رجل مجهول ومحمد بن عمرو ذكر في الحديث أنه حضر أبا قتادة وسنه لا يحتمل ذلك فإن أبا قتادة قتل قبل ذلك بدهر طويل لأنه قتل مع علي وصلى عليه علي
machine translationMuḥammad b. ʿAmr b. ʿAṭāʾ did not hear this hadith from Abū Ḥumayd, nor from anyone mentioned along with Abū Ḥumayd; between them there is an unknown (majhūl) man. Muḥammad b. ʿAmr is mentioned in the hadith as having been present with Abū Qatādah, but his age does not allow for that, for Abū Qatādah was killed a long time before that, since he was killed with ʿAlī, and ʿAlī prayed over him.
in مسند البزار, p. 3701
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- Badr al-Dīn al-ʿAynī
الحديث معلول بجهة أخرى وهو أن محمد بن عمرو ابن عطاء لم يسمع هذا الحديث من أبي حميد
machine translationThe hadith is defective (maʿlūl) from another angle, namely that Muḥammad b. ʿAmr b. ʿAṭāʾ did not hear this hadith from Abū Ḥumayd.
in مسند البزار, p. 3701 - Ibn Ḥazm
لعل عبد الحميد بن جعفر وهم فيه
machine translationPerhaps ʿAbd al-Ḥamīd b. Jaʿfar made an error (wahm) in it.
in مسند البزار, p. 3701 - Bazzār
وهذا الحديث لا نعلمه يروى عن أبي حميد بأحسن من هذين الإسنادين
in مسند البزار, p. 3701 - M. ibn Ḥibbān al-Bustī
سمع هذا الخبر محمد بن عمرو بن عطاء عن أبي حميد وسمع من عباس بن سهل عن أبيه قال فالطريقان جميعا محفوظان ومتناهما متباينان وقد يتوهم غير المتبحر في صناعة الحديث أن خبر أبي حميد معلول وليس كذلك
machine translationMuḥammad b. ʿAmr b. ʿAṭāʾ heard this report from Abū Ḥumayd, and he also heard it from ʿAbbās b. Sahl from his father. He said: So both routes are preserved (maḥfūẓ), and their texts differ. Someone who is not well versed in the craft of hadith may imagine that the report of Abū Ḥumayd is defective, but that is not the case.
in مسند البزار, p. 3701
Other narrations of this report
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- Companion (ṣaḥābī)d. 60 AH, end of Muʿāwiyah's caliphate, or the beginning of Yazīd's caliphateأَبُو حُمَيْدٍ السَّاعِدِيُّصحابيعن
- trustworthy (thiqah)d. after 120 AHمحمد بن عمرو بن عطاء العامريثقةحدثني
- Truthful (ṣadūq), accused of belief in qadar (free will), and he sometimes erred (wahima)d. 153 AHعَبْدُ الْحَمِيدِ بْنُ جَعْفَرٍصدوق رمي بالقدر ، وربما وهمنا
- Trustworthy (thiqah), firmly reliable (thabt), who often practiced tadlīs and hidden irsāl.d. 181 AH, or 183 AHهُشَيْمٌثقة ثبت كثير التدليس والإرسال الخفينا
- truthful (ṣadūq)d. 252 AH, or 253 AH, or 257 AHالْحَسَنُ بْنُ عَرَفَةَصدوقحدثنا
- d. 291 AH or 292 AH or 294 AHالبزار
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