Musnad al-Bazzar 2187
✧ Ubaydah b. Amr al-Salmani from Abd Allah b. al-Zubayr
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2187 2178 - وَنَاهُ أَحْمَدُ بْنُ عَبْدِ اللهِ بْنِ الْحُسَيْنِ بْنِ كُرْدِيٍّ قَالَ: نَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ جَعْفَرٍ قَالَ:
نَا شُعْبَةُ، عَنْ عَطَاءِ بْنِ السَّائِبِ، عَنْ أَبِي الْبَخْتَرِيِّ، عَنْ عَبِيدَةَ، عَنِ ابْنِ الزُّبَيْرِ، عَنِ النَّبِيِّ ﷺ بِنَحْوِهِ. وَهَذَا الْحَدِيثُ لَمْ يُتَابِعْ شُعْبَةَ عَلَى رِوَايَتِهِ هَذِهِ عَنْ عَطَاءِ بْنِ السَّائِبِ أَحَدٌ، وَقَدْ خَالَفُوهُ فِيهَا، فَقَالَ حَمَّادُ بْنُ سَلَمَةَ، وَجَرِيرُ بْنُ عَبْدِ الْحَمِيدِ: عَنْ عَطَاءِ بْنِ السَّائِبِ، عَنْ أَبِي يَحْيَى، عَنِ ابْنِ عَبَّاسٍ، أَنَّ رَجُلَيْنِ اخْتَصَمَا إِلَى رَسُولِ اللهِ ﷺ. وَلَا أَحْسَبُ أَتَى هَذَا الِاخْتِلَافُ إِلَّا مِنْ عَطَاءِ بْنِ السَّائِبِ؛ لِأَنَّهُ قَدْ كَانَ اضْطَرَبَ فِي حَدِيثِهِ، وَلَمْ يَرْوِ عَبِيدَةُ عَنِ ابْنِ الزُّبَيْرِ حَدِيثًا مُسْنَدًا غَيْرَ هَذَا الْحَدِيثِ مِنْ وَجْهٍ صَحِيحٍ. قَالَ: وَسَمِعْتُ أَبَا مُوسَى مُحَمَّدَ بْنَ الْمُثَنَّى يَقُولُ: نَسَخْتُ هَذَا الْحَدِيثَ مِنْ كِتَابِ غُنْدَرٍ، عَنْ شُعْبَةَ، عَنْ عَطَاءٍ، عَنْ أَبِي الْبَخْتَرِيِّ، عَنْ عَبِيدَةَ، عَنِ ابْنِ الزُّبَيْرِ، عَنِ النَّبِيِّ ﷺ وَلَمْ أَسْمَعْهُ مِنْهُ
Translation
Chain of narrators
- Muḥammad b. Jaʿfar
✧ Shu'bah narrated to us, from 'Ata' b. al-Sa'ib, from Abu al-Bakhtari, from 'Ubaydah, from Ibn al-Zubayr, from the Prophet ﷺ, similarly. No one corroborated Shu'bah in this narration of his from 'Ata' b. al-Sa'ib; they contradicted him in it. Hammad b. Salamah and Jarir b. 'Abd al-Hamid said: from 'Ata' b. al-Sa'ib, from Abu Yahya, from Ibn 'Abbas, that two men brought a dispute to the Messenger of God ﷺ. I think this discrepancy came only from 'Ata' b. al-Sa'ib, because his hadith had become confused. 'Ubaydah did not narrate from Ibn al-Zubayr any hadith going back to the Prophet other than this one through a sound chain. He said: I heard Abu Musa Muhammad b. al-Muthanna say: I copied this hadith from the book of Ghundar, from Shu'bah, from 'Ata', from Abu al-Bakhtari, from 'Ubaydah, from Ibn al-Zubayr, from the Prophet ﷺ, but I did not hear it from him.
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- Abū Ḥatim al-Rāzī
رواه عبد الوارث وجرير عن عطاء بن السائب عن أبي يحيى الأعرج عن ابن عباس فذكره وشعبة أقدم سماعا من هؤلاء وعطاء تغير بأخرة
machine translationʿAbd al-Wārith and Jarīr narrated it from ʿAṭāʾ b. al-Sāʾib, from Abū Yaḥyā al-Aʿraj, from Ibn ʿAbbās, and he mentioned it. Shuʿbah heard from him earlier than these, and ʿAṭāʾ changed (taghayyara) towards the end of his life.
in مسند البزار, p. 2187 - Abū Ḥatim al-Rāzī
قلت لأبي أيهما أصح قال شعبة أقدم سماعا من هؤلاء وعطاء تغير بآخرة
machine translationI said to my father: Which of the two is more authentic (aṣaḥḥ)? He said: Shuʿbah heard from him earlier than these, and ʿAṭāʾ changed (taghayyara) towards the end of his life.
in مسند البزار, p. 2187
Other narrations of this report
Narrators
- He was the first child born in Islam in Medina from among the Muhājirūnd. 72 AH, or 73 AHعَبْدُ اللهِ بْنُ الزُّبَيْرِكان أول مولود في الإسلام بالمدينة من المهاجرينعن
- a senior Successor, mukhaḍram, jurist, firm (thabt)d. 62 AH, or 63 AH, or 72 AH, or 73 AH, said by al-Tirmidhī and Qaʿnab b. al-Muḥarrar, or 74 AH, also said 76 AH, Ibn Ḥajar said in al-Taqrīb: the correct view is that he died before 70 AH, Mughulṭāy said in al-Ikmāl: the most correct regarding his death is 74 AHعبيدة بن عمرو السلمانيتابعي كبير ، مخضرم ، فقيه ثبتعن
- trustworthy (thiqah), firm (thabt), there is a little Shīʿism in him, frequently narrates mursald. 81 AH or 82 AH or 83 AHسعيد بن فيروز الطائيثقة ثبت، فيه تشيع قليل، كثير الإرسالعن
- Truthful (ṣadūq), became confused (ikhtalaṭa)d. 133 AH, or 134 AH, or 136 AH, or 137 AHعطاء بن السائبصدوق اختلطعن
- Trustworthy (thiqah), a retentive memorizer (ḥāfiẓ), meticulous (mutqin)d. 160 AHشعبة بن الحجاجثقة حافظ , متقننا
- Trustworthy (thiqah), his book was sound (ṣaḥīḥ al-kitāb), except that he had some heedlessness (ghaflah)d. 192 AH or 193 AH or 194 AHمُحَمَّدُ بْنُ جَعْفَرٍثقة صحيح الكتاب إلا أن فيه غفلةنا
- trustworthy (thiqah)d. 247 AHأَحْمَدُ بْنُ عَبْدِ اللهِ بْنِ الْحُسَيْنِ بْنِ كُرْدِيٍّثقةنا
- d. 291 AH or 292 AH or 294 AHالبزار
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