Jami' at-Tirmidhi 364

Translation

"Al-Mughirah bin Shu'bah led us in Salat, and he continued after the two Rak'ah, so the people said: 'Subhan Allah' and he said: 'Subhan Allah' to them. When he finished his Salat he said the Taslim then performed two prostrations of As-Sahw while he was sitting. Then he narrated to them that Messenger of Allah did the same with them as he had done."

Notes

• قَالَ وَفِي الْبَابِ عَنْ عُقْبَةَ بْنِ عَامِرٍ وَسَعْدٍ وَعَبْدِ اللَّهِ ابْنِ بُحَيْنَةَ. قَالَ أَبُو عِيسَى حَدِيثُ الْمُغِيرَةِ بْنِ شُعْبَةَ قَدْ رُوِيَ مِنْ غَيْرِ وَجْهٍ عَنِ الْمُغِيرَةِ بْنِ شُعْبَةَ. قَالَ أَبُو عِيسَى وَقَدْ تَكَلَّمَ بَعْضُ أَهْلِ الْعِلْمِ فِي ابْنِ أَبِي لَيْلَى مِنْ قِبَلِ حِفْظِهِ. قَالَ أَحْمَدُ لاَ يُحْتَجُّ بِحَدِيثِ ابْنِ أَبِي لَيْلَى. وَقَالَ مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ إِسْمَاعِيلَ ابْنُ أَبِي لَيْلَى هُوَ صَدُوقٌ وَلاَ أَرْوِي عَنْهُ لأَنَّهُ لاَ يَدْرِي صَحِيحَ حَدِيثِهِ مِنْ سَقِيمِهِ وَكُلُّ مَنْ كَانَ مِثْلَ هَذَا فَلاَ أَرْوِي عَنْهُ شَيْئًا. وَقَدْ رُوِيَ هَذَا الْحَدِيثُ مِنْ غَيْرِ وَجْهٍ عَنِ الْمُغِيرَةِ بْنِ شُعْبَةَ رَوَاهُ سُفْيَانُ عَنْ جَابِرٍ عَنِ الْمُغِيرَةِ بْنِ شُبَيْلٍ عَنْ قَيْسِ بْنِ أَبِي حَازِمٍ عَنِ الْمُغِيرَةِ بْنِ شُعْبَةَ. وَجَابِرٌ الْجُعْفِيُّ قَدْ ضَعَّفَهُ بَعْضُ أَهْلِ الْعِلْمِ تَرَكَهُ يَحْيَى بْنُ سَعِيدٍ وَعَبْدُ الرَّحْمَنِ بْنُ مَهْدِيٍّ وَغَيْرُهُمَا. وَالْعَمَلُ عَلَى هَذَا عِنْدَ أَهْلِ الْعِلْمِ أَنَّ الرَّجُلَ إِذَا قَامَ فِي الرَّكْعَتَيْنِ مَضَى فِي صَلاَتِهِ وَسَجَدَ سَجْدَتَيْنِ مِنْهُمْ مَنْ رَأَى قَبْلَ التَّسْلِيمِ وَمِنْهُمْ مَنْ رَأَى بَعْدَ التَّسْلِيمِ. وَمَنْ رَأَى قَبْلَ التَّسْلِيمِ فَحَدِيثُهُ أَصَحُّ لِمَا رَوَى الزُّهْرِيُّ وَيَحْيَى بْنُ سَعِيدٍ الأَنْصَارِيُّ عَنْ عَبْدِ الرَّحْمَنِ الأَعْرَجِ عَنْ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ ابْنِ بُحَيْنَةَ

  machine translationHe said: On this topic there are narrations from ʿUqbah b. ʿĀmir, Saʿd and ʿAbdullāh Ibn Buḥaynah. Abū ʿĪsā said: The hadith of al-Mughīrah b. Shuʿbah has been narrated through more than one route from al-Mughīrah b. Shuʿbah. Abū ʿĪsā said: Some of the people of knowledge have spoken about Ibn Abī Laylā on account of his memory. Aḥmad said: The hadith of Ibn Abī Laylā is not to be used as evidence. Muḥammad b. Ismāʿīl said: Ibn Abī Laylā is truthful (ṣadūq), but I do not narrate from him because he does not know the sound part of his hadith from the defective, and I narrate nothing from anyone like this. This hadith has been narrated through more than one route from al-Mughīrah b. Shuʿbah. Sufyān narrated it from Jābir, from al-Mughīrah b. Shubayl, from Qays b. Abī Ḥāzim, from al-Mughīrah b. Shuʿbah. Jābir al-Juʿfī was graded weak by some of the people of knowledge; Yaḥyā b. Saʿīd, ʿAbd al-Raḥmān b. Mahdī and others abandoned him. The practice according to this among the people of knowledge is that when a man stands up after two rakʿahs, he continues his prayer and performs two prostrations. Some of them held that this is before the salām, and some held that it is after the salām. The one who held that it is before the salām has the sounder hadith, because of what al-Zuhrī and Yaḥyā b. Saʿīd al-Anṣārī narrated from ʿAbd al-Raḥmān al-Aʿraj, from ʿAbdullāh Ibn Buḥaynah. Report a problem

Grades by grader

What scholars said about it

In their own words, as Hadith Unlocked records them. They are shown, not summarised into a grade.

• Ibn ʿAbd al-Barr

  يدور على ابن أبي ليلى وليس بالحافظ ولا ممن يحتج به فيما خولف فيه

  machine translationIt revolves around Ibn Abī Laylā, who is not a retainer (ḥāfiẓ) and is not one whose evidence is accepted where he is contradicted. Report a problem

  in جامع الترمذي, p. 370
• Ibn ʿAbd al-Barr

  ضعيف الإسناد ليس مثله بحجة

  machine translationIts chain is weak (ḍaʿīf); the like of him is not a proof (ḥujjah). Report a problem

  in جامع الترمذي, p. 370
• al-Tirmidhi

  قد تكلم بعض أهل العلم في ابن أبي ليلى من قبل حفظه قال أحمد لا يحتج بحديث ابن أبي ليلى

  machine translationSome of the people of knowledge have spoken about Ibn Abī Laylā on account of his memory. Aḥmad said: The hadith of Ibn Abī Laylā is not to be used as evidence. Report a problem

  in جامع الترمذي, p. 370
• al-Dhahabi

  ابن أبي ليلى صدوق إمام سيئ الحفظ وقد وثق قال أحمد بن عبد الله العجلي كان فقيها صدوقا صاحب سنة جائز الحديث وقال أبو زرعة ليس بأقوى ما يكون وقال أحمد مضطرب الحديث وقال شعبة ما رأيت أسوأ من حفظه وقال يحيى القطان سيئ الحفظ جدا وقال يحيى بن معين ليس بذاك وقال النسائي ليس بالقوي وقال الدارقطني رديء الحفظ كثير الوهم وقال أبو أحمد الحاكم عامة أحاديثه مقلوبة

  machine translationIbn Abī Laylā is truthful (ṣadūq), an imam, of poor memory, though he has also been declared reliable. Aḥmad b. ʿAbdullāh al-ʿIjlī said: He was a jurist, truthful, a man of the Sunnah, acceptable in hadith. Abū Zurʿah said: He is not the strongest. Aḥmad said: He is inconsistent (muḍṭarib) in hadith. Shuʿbah said: I have seen nothing worse than his memory. Yaḥyā al-Qaṭṭān said: Very poor in memory. Yaḥyā b. Maʿīn said: He is not much. al-Nasāʾī said: He is not strong. al-Dāraquṭnī said: Poor in memory, with many errors. Abū Aḥmad al-Ḥākim said: Most of his hadiths are reversed (maqlūb). Report a problem

  in جامع الترمذي, p. 370

Other narrations of this report

Musnad Ahmad 22933Sahih Ibn Khuzaymah 1154Musannaf Ibn Abi Shaybah 4526Musannaf 'Abd al-Razzaq 3478al-Sunan al-Kubra (al-Nasa'i) 605

Narrators

1. 1
   al-Mughīrah b. Shuʿbah

   A well-known Companion (ṣaḥābī), who accepted Islam before al-Ḥudaybiyyah.d. 49 AH, or: 50 AH, and al-Khaṭīb reported consensus on that, or: 56 AH, in Tahdhīb al-Kamāl: some said 36 AH, 58 AH, and both are errors
   المُغِيرَة بن شُعْبَةصحابي مشهور ، أسلم قبل الحديبية
   قال
2. 2
   al-Shaʿbī

   Trustworthy (thiqah), well-known, a virtuous jurist (faqīh fāḍil)d. 103 AH, said by al-Haytham b. ʿAdī, and Yaḥyā b. Bukayr, Yaḥyā b. Maʿīn, 104 AH, said by Yaḥyā b. Maʿīn, and Ismāʿīl b. Mujālid, and Abū Nuʿaym, and Muḥammad b. ʿImrān al-Bajalī, and ʿUmar b. Shabīb al-Muslī, and ʿAbd Allāh b. Idrīs, 105 AH, said by Isḥāq b. Yaḥyā, Muḥammad b. ʿAbd Allāh b. Numayr, or: 106 AH, said by ʿAlī b. al-Madīnī, and ʿAmr b. ʿAlī, 107 AH, said by ʿAlī b. al-Madīnī, or: 109 AH, said by Ibn Ḥibbān, 110 AH, said by ʿAlī b. ʿAbd Allāh al-Tamīmī
   الشَّعْبِيِّثقة ، مشهور ، فقيه فاضل
   عن
3. 3
   Muḥammad b. ʿAbd al-Raḥman b. Abī Laylá

   truthful (ṣadūq), of very poor memoryd. 148 AH
   ابْنُ أَبِي لَيْلَىصدوق ، سيئ الحفظ جدا
   أخبرنا
4. 4
   Hushaym b. Bashīr

   Trustworthy (thiqah), firmly reliable (thabt), who often practiced tadlīs and hidden irsāl.d. 181 AH, or 183 AH
   هُشَيْمٌثقة ثبت كثير التدليس والإرسال الخفي
   حدثنا
5. 5
   Aḥmad b. Manīʿ

   trustworthy, a memorizer (thiqah ḥāfiẓ)d. 244 AH, or 243 AH
   أَحْمَدُ بْنُ مَنِيعٍثقة حافظ
   حدثنا
6. 6
   al-Tirmidhī

   trustworthy, a memorizer (thiqah ḥāfiẓ)d. 279 AH, in Ikmāl al-Tahdhīb: 275 AH
   التِّرْمِذِيُّثقة حافظ

Who each narrator was and how reliable, from hdith.com

Latin names and English verdicts with a dotted underline are machine translations, not reviewed.