Musnad al-Bazzar 183
✧ What b. 'Umar narrated from 'Umar b. al-Khattab, ᴿᴬ
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وَحَدَّثَنَاهُ عَبْدَةُ بْنُ عَبْدِ اللهِ قَالَ: أَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ بِشْرٍ قَالَ: نَا عُبَيْدُ اللهِ بْنُ عُمَرَ، عَنْ نَافِعٍ، عَنِ ابْنِ عُمَرَ، عَنْ عُمَرَ قَالَ: سَمِعْتُ النَّبِيَّ ﷺ يَقُولُ:
" الْمَيِّتُ يُعَذَّبُ مَا نِيحَ عَلَيْهِ أَوْ مَا بُكِيَ عَلَيْهِ
Translation
Chain of narrators
- ʿAbdah b. ʿAbdullāh
- Muḥammad b. Bishr
- ʿUbaydullāh b. ʿUmar
- Nāfiʿ
- Ibn ʿUmar
- ʿUmar
- al-Nabī ﷺ
✧ "The deceased is punished as long as wailing is done over him, or as long as he is wept over."
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- Khaṭṭābī
الخبران معا صحيحان ولا منافاة بينهما اي خبر عمر وابنه وخبر عائشة
machine translationBoth reports are authentic (ṣaḥīḥ), and there is no contradiction between them, that is, the report of ʿUmar and his son and the report of ʿĀʾishah.
in مسند البزار, p. 183 - Ibn ʿAbd al-Barr
فهذا عمر قد روى في بكاء الحي على الميت مثل رواية ابنه سواء وهذا حديث ثابت عن عمر صحيح الإسناد لا مقال فيه لأحد وقد رواه عن ابن مليكة جماعة منهم أيوب السختياني وغيره
machine translationHere is ʿUmar, who narrated concerning the weeping of the living over the dead the same as the narration of his son, exactly. This is a firmly established hadith from ʿUmar, with a sound (ṣaḥīḥ) chain of narration about which no one has any criticism. A group narrated it from Ibn Abī Mulaykah, among them Ayyūb al-Sakhtiyānī and others.
in مسند البزار, p. 183
Other narrations of this report
Narrators
- Commander of the Faithful (amīr al-muʾminīn), well-known, of abundant virtues (jamm al-manāqib)d. 23 AH, also said: 24 AHعُمَر بْن الْخَطَّابأمير المؤمنين مشهور جم المناقبعن
- One of the Companions who narrated most often, and one of the ʿAbādilah; he was among the people most strict in following the narrations (athar).d. 72 AH, or 73 AH, or 74 AH, also said: 75 AHابْنِ عُمَرَأحد المكثرين من الصحابة والعبادلة ، وكان من أشد الناس اتباعا للأثرعن
- trustworthy (thiqah), reliable (thabt), a well-known jurist (faqīh)d. 116 AH, or 117 AH, or 118 AH, or 119 AH, or 120 AHنَافِعٍثقة ثبت فقيه مشهورعن
- trustworthy, precise (thiqah thabt)d. 144 AH or 145 AH or 146 AH or 147 AHعُبَيْدُ اللهِ بْنُ عُمَرَثقة ثبتنا
- trustworthy, a memorizer (thiqah ḥāfiẓ)d. 203 AHمُحَمَّدُ بْنُ بِشْرٍثقة حافظأنا
- trustworthy (thiqah)d. 257 AH or 258 AH, or 260 AH, or shortly before or after itعَبْدَةُ بْنُ عَبْدِ اللهِثقةحدثنا
- d. 291 AH or 292 AH or 294 AHالبزار
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