Musnad Ahmad 17896
✧ Mohammed bin Talha bin Obaid Allah
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حَدَّثَنَا عَفَّانُ حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو عَوَانَةَ حَدَّثَنَا هِلَالُ بْنُ أَبِي حُمَيْدٍ عَنْ عَبْدِ الرَّحْمَنِ بْنِ أَبِي لَيْلَى قَالَ نَظَرَ عُمَرُ إِلَى أَبِي عَبْدِ الْحَمِيدِ أَوْ ابْنِ عَبْدِ الْحَمِيدِ شَكَّ أَبُو عَوَانَةَ وَكَانَ اسْمُهُ مُحَمَّدًا وَرَجُلٌ يَقُولُ لَهُ يَا مُحَمَّدُ فَعَلَ اللهُ بِكَ وَفَعَلَ وَفَعَلَ قَالَ وَجَعَلَ يَسُبُّهُ قَالَ فَقَالَ أَمِيرُ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ عِنْدَ ذَلِكَ يَا ابْنَ زَيْدٍ ادْنُ مِنِّي قَالَ
نَظَرَ عُمَرُ إِلَى أَبِي عَبْدِ الْحَمِيدِ -أَوِ ابْنِ عَبْدِ الْحَمِيدِ، شَكَّ أَبُو عَوَانَةَ - وَكَانَ اسْمُهُ مُحَمَّدًا، وَرَجُلٌ يَقُولُ يَا مُحَمَّدُ، فَعَلَ اللهُ بِكَ، وَفَعَلَ وَفَعَلَ، قَالَ: وَجَعَلَ يَسُبُّهُ، قَالَ: فَقَالَ أَمِيرُ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ عِنْدَ ذَلِكَ: يَا ابْنَ زَيْدٍ، ادْنُ مِنِّي، قَالَ: أَلَا أَرَى مُحَمَّدًا يُسَبُّ بِكَ! لَا وَاللهِ لَا تُدْعَى مُحَمَّدًا مَا دُمْتُ حَيًّا، فَسَمَّاهُ عَبْدَ الرَّحْمَنِ، ثُمَّ أَرْسَلَ إِلَى بَنِي طَلْحَةَ لِيُغَيِّرَ أَهْلُهُمْ أَسْمَاءَهُمْ، وَهُمْ يَوْمَئِذٍ سَبْعَةٌ، وَسَيِّدُهُمْ وَأَكْبَرُهُمْ مُحَمَّدٌ، قَالَ: فَقَالَ مُحَمَّدُ ابْنُ طَلْحَةَ: أَنْشُدُكَ اللهَ يَا أَمِيرَ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ، فَوَاللهِ إِنْ سَمَّانِي مُحَمَّدًا –يَعْنِي- إِلَّا مُحَمَّدٌ ﷺ، فَقَالَ عُمَرُ: قُومُوا لَا سَبِيلَ لِي إِلَى شَيْءٍ سَمَّاهُ مُحَمَّدٌ.
Translation
Chain of narrators
- ʿAffān
- Abū ʿAwānah
- Hilāl b. Abū Ḥumayd
- ʿAbd al-Raḥman b. Abū Laylá
- Naẓar ʿUmar
- Abū ʿAbd al-Ḥamīd Aw Ibn ʿAbd al-Ḥamīd Shak Abū ʿAwānah and Kān Āsmuh Muḥammad Warajul
- Lah Yā Muḥammad Faʿal Allāh Bik Wafaʿal Wafaʿal
- Wajaʿal Yasubbuh
- Amīr al-Muʾminīn ʿInd Dhalik Yā Ibn Zayd Ādn Minnī
✧ ʿUmar looked at Abū ʿAbd al-Ḥamīd—or Ibn ʿAbd al-Ḥamīd, Abū ʿAwānah was uncertain—and his name was Muḥammad, while a man was saying, “O Muḥammad, may God do such-and-such to you, and such-and-such,” and he kept insulting him. The Commander of the Faithful then said: “O Ibn Zayd, come close to me.” He said: “Do I not see Muḥammad being insulted because of you? No, by God, you will not be called Muḥammad as long as I live.” So he named him ʿAbd al-Raḥmān. Then he sent to the sons of Ṭalḥah, that their families should change their names, and they were at that time seven, and their chief and eldest was Muḥammad. Muḥammad b. Ṭalḥah said: “I adjure you by God, O Commander of the Faithful, for by God, none named me Muḥammad—meaning—except Muḥammad ﷺ.” So ʿUmar said: “Get up; I have no way against something that Muḥammad named.”
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- Abū al-Ḥasan Nur al-Dīn ʿAlī b. Abi Bakr al-Haythamī
رجال أحمد رجال الصحيح
machine translationThe narrators of Aḥmad are the narrators of the Ṣaḥīḥ (the authentic collections).
in مسند أحمد, p. 18112
Narrators
- مُحَمَّد بْن طَلْحَة بْن عُبَيْد الله السَّجَّادعن
- trustworthy (thiqah)d. 82 AH, or 83 AH, also said: 71 AH, which is a mistakeعَبْدِ الرَّحْمَنِ بْنِ أَبِي لَيْلَىثقةعن
- trustworthy (thiqah)d. between 121 and 130 AHهِلَالُ بْنُ أَبِي حُمَيْدٍثقةحدثنا
- trustworthy and meticulous (thiqah thabt), from the seventh generation (ṭabaqah)d. 175, or 176 AHأَبُو عَوَانَةَثقة ثبت ، من السابعةحدثنا
- trustworthy, precise (thiqah thabt)d. 219 AH, or 220 AHعَفَّانُثقة ثبتحدثنا
- Trustworthy (thiqah), a memorizer (ḥāfiẓ), a jurist (faqīh), an authority (ḥujjah).d. 241 AH, Abū Umayyah Muḥammad b. Ibrāhīm al-Ṭarsūsī said: 242 AH, and no one followed him in his viewأحمد بن حنبلثقة حافظ فقيه حجة
Who each narrator was and how reliable, from hdith.com
Latin names and English verdicts with a dotted underline are machine translations, not reviewed.