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Jami' at-Tirmidhi 2762

What Has Been Related About Taking From The Beard

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حَدَّثَنَا هَنَّادٌ حَدَّثَنَا عُمَرُ بْنُ هَارُونَ عَنْ أُسَامَةَ بْنِ زَيْدٍ عَنْ عَمْرِو بْنِ شُعَيْبٍ عَنْ أَبِيهِ عَنْ جَدِّهِ أَنَّ النَّبِيَّ ﷺ

كَانَ يَأْخُذُ مِنْ لِحْيَتِهِ مِنْ عَرْضِهَا وَطُولِهَا

Translation

Chain of narrators
  1. Hannād
  2. ʿUmar b. Hārūn
  3. Usāmah b. Zayd
  4. ʿAmr b. Shuʿayb
  5. his father
  6. his father
  7. al-Nabī ﷺ

from his father, from his grandfather that he Prophet ﷺ would take from his beard; from its breadth and its length.

Notes

  • قَالَ أَبُو عِيسَى هَذَا حَدِيثٌ غَرِيبٌ وَسَمِعْتُ مُحَمَّدَ بْنَ إِسْمَاعِيلَ يَقُولُ عُمَرُ بْنُ هَارُونَ مُقَارِبُ الْحَدِيثِ لاَ أَعْرِفُ لَهُ حَدِيثًا لَيْسَ إِسْنَادُهُ أَصْلاً أَوْ قَالَ يَنْفَرِدُ بِهِ إِلاَّ هَذَا الْحَدِيثَ كَانَ النَّبِيُّ ﷺ يَأْخُذُ مِنْ لِحْيَتِهِ مِنْ عَرْضِهَا وَطُولِهَا لاَ نَعْرِفُهُ إِلاَّ مِنْ حَدِيثِ عُمَرَ بْنِ هَارُونَ وَرَأَيْتُهُ حَسَنَ الرَّأْىِ فِي عُمَرَ بْنِ هَارُونَ قَالَ أَبُو عِيسَى وَسَمِعْتُ قُتَيْبَةَ يَقُولُ عُمَرُ بْنُ هَارُونَ كَانَ صَاحِبَ حَدِيثٍ وَكَانَ يَقُولُ الإِيمَانُ قَوْلٌ وَعَمَلٌ قَالَ سَمِعْتُ قُتَيْبَةَ حَدَّثَنَا وَكِيعُ بْنُ الْجَرَّاحِ عَنْ رَجُلٍ عَنْ ثَوْرِ بْنِ يَزِيدَ أَنَّ النَّبِيَّ ﷺ نَصَبَ الْمَنْجَنِيقَ عَلَى أَهْلِ الطَّائِفِ قَالَ قُتَيْبَةُ قُلْتُ لِوَكِيعٍ مَنْ هَذَا قَالَ صَاحِبُكُمْ عُمَرُ بْنُ هَارُونَ

    machine translationAbū ʿĪsā said: This ḥadīth is gharīb (strange). I heard Muḥammad b. Ismāʿīl say: ʿUmar b. Hārūn is close in ḥadīth (muqārib al-ḥadīth). I do not know of any ḥadīth of his whose chain has no basis, or he said, which he is alone in narrating, except this ḥadīth: the Prophet ﷺ used to trim his beard from its width and its length. We do not know it except from the ḥadīth of ʿUmar b. Hārūn. And I saw that he had a good opinion of ʿUmar b. Hārūn. Abū ʿĪsā said: I heard Qutaybah say: ʿUmar b. Hārūn was a man of ḥadīth, and he used to say: faith is statement and action. He said: I heard Qutaybah: Wakīʿ b. al-Jarrāḥ narrated to us, from a man, from Thawr b. Yazīd, that the Prophet ﷺ set up the catapult against the people of al-Ṭāʾif. Qutaybah said: I said to Wakīʿ: Who is this? He said: Your companion ʿUmar b. Hārūn.

  • يَأْخُذُ مِنْ لِحْيَتِهِ مِنْ عَرْضِهَا وَطُولِهَا. قَالَ أَبُو عِيسَى هَذَا حَدِيثٌ غَرِيبٌ. وَسَمِعْتُ مُحَمَّدَ بْنَ إِسْمَاعِيلَ يَقُولُ عُمَرُ بْنُ هَارُونَ مُقَارِبُ الْحَدِيثِ لاَ أَعْرِفُ لَهُ حَدِيثًا لَيْسَ إِسْنَادُهُ أَصْلاً أَوْ قَالَ يَنْفَرِدُ بِهِ إِلاَّ هَذَا الْحَدِيثَ كَانَ النَّبِيُّ صلى الله عليه وسلم يَأْخُذُ مِنْ لِحْيَتِهِ مِنْ عَرْضِهَا وَطُولِهَا. لاَ نَعْرِفُهُ إِلاَّ مِنْ حَدِيثِ عُمَرَ بْنِ هَارُونَ وَرَأَيْتُهُ حَسَنَ الرَّأْىِ فِي عُمَرَ بْنِ هَارُونَ. قَالَ أَبُو عِيسَى وَسَمِعْتُ قُتَيْبَةَ يَقُولُ عُمَرُ بْنُ هَارُونَ كَانَ صَاحِبَ حَدِيثٍ وَكَانَ يَقُولُ الإِيمَانُ قَوْلٌ وَعَمَلٌ. قَالَ سَمِعْتُ قُتَيْبَةَ، حَدَّثَنَا وَكِيعُ بْنُ الْجَرَّاحِ، عَنْ رَجُلٍ، عَنْ ثَوْرِ بْنِ يَزِيدَ، أَنَّ النَّبِيَّ صلى الله عليه وسلم نَصَبَ الْمَنْجَنِيقَ عَلَى أَهْلِ الطَّائِفِ. قَالَ قُتَيْبَةُ قُلْتُ لِوَكِيعٍ مَنْ هَذَا قَالَ صَاحِبُكُمْ عُمَرُ بْنُ هَارُونَ

    machine translationHe used to trim his beard from its width and its length. Abū ʿĪsā said: This ḥadīth is gharīb (strange). I heard Muḥammad b. Ismāʿīl say: ʿUmar b. Hārūn is close in ḥadīth (muqārib al-ḥadīth). I do not know of any ḥadīth of his whose chain has no basis, or he said, which he is alone in narrating, except this ḥadīth: the Prophet ﷺ used to trim his beard from its width and its length. We do not know it except from the ḥadīth of ʿUmar b. Hārūn, and I saw that he had a good opinion of ʿUmar b. Hārūn. Abū ʿĪsā said: I heard Qutaybah say: ʿUmar b. Hārūn was a man of ḥadīth, and he used to say: faith is statement and action. He said: I heard Qutaybah: Wakīʿ b. al-Jarrāḥ narrated to us, from a man, from Thawr b. Yazīd, that the Prophet ﷺ set up the catapult against the people of al-Ṭāʾif. Qutaybah said: I said to Wakīʿ: Who is this? He said: Your companion ʿUmar b. Hārūn.

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What scholars said about it

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  • الزيلعى

    ذكره الترمذي في الاستئذان معضلا ولم يصل سنده به

    machine translationAl-Tirmidhī mentioned it in the chapter on seeking permission as a broken report (muʿḍal), without connecting its chain to it.

    in جامع الترمذي, p. 3003
  • قتيبة بن سعيد

    الرجل المبهم هو عمر بن هارون وهو ضعيف

    machine translationThe unnamed man is ʿUmar b. Hārūn, and he is weak (ḍaʿīf).

    in جامع الترمذي, p. 3003
  • Ibn Ḥajar al-ʿAsqalānī

    ضعف عمر بن هارونراو الحديث مطلقا جماعة

    machine translationA group declared ʿUmar b. Hārūn weak (ḍaʿīf) as a narrator of ḥadīth in general.

    in جامع الترمذي, p. 3003
  • al-Tirmidhi

    هذا حديث غريب

    machine translationThis is a strange (gharīb) hadith.

    in جامع الترمذي, p. 3003
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  • al-Bukhari

    عمر بن هارون مقارب الحديث لا أعرف له حديثا ليس له أصل أو قال ينفرد به إلا هذا الحديث كان النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم يأخذ من لحيته من عرضها وطولها لا نعرفه إلا من حديث عمر بن هارون

    machine translationʿUmar b. Hārūn is close in ḥadīth (muqārib al-ḥadīth). I do not know of any ḥadīth of his that has no basis, or he said, which he is alone in narrating, except this ḥadīth: the Prophet ﷺ used to trim his beard from its width and its length. We do not know it except from the ḥadīth of ʿUmar b. Hārūn.

    in جامع الترمذي, p. 3003
  • Mubarakpūri

    حديث عمرو بن شعيب هذا ضعيف جدا

    machine translationThis ḥadīth of ʿAmr b. Shuʿayb is very weak (ḍaʿīf jiddan).

    in جامع الترمذي, p. 3003
  • al-Bukhari

    قال في رواية عمر بن هارون لا أعلم له حديثا منكرا إلا هذا

    machine translationHe said regarding the narration of ʿUmar b. Hārūn: I do not know of any rejected (munkar) ḥadīth of his except this one.

    in جامع الترمذي, p. 3003
  • al-Tirmidhi

    غريب

    machine translationGharīb.

    in جامع الترمذي, p. 3003
  • Ishbīlī

    من الأحاديث التي صححها

    machine translationIt is among the ḥadīths that he authenticated.

    in جامع الترمذي, p. 3003
  • al-Bukhari

    لا نعرفه إلا من حديث عمر بن هارون

    machine translationWe do not know it except from the ḥadīth of ʿUmar b. Hārūn.

    in جامع الترمذي, p. 3003
  • Mubarakpūri

    حديث ضعيف لا يصلح للاحتجاج به

    machine translationA weak (ḍaʿīf) ḥadīth, not suitable to be used as evidence.

    in جامع الترمذي, p. 3003
  • al-Bukhari

    عمر بن هارون مقارب الحديث لا أعرف له حديثا ليس له أصل أو قال ينفرد به إلا هذا الحديث

    machine translationʿUmar b. Hārūn is close in ḥadīth (muqārib al-ḥadīth). I do not know of any ḥadīth of his that has no basis, or he said, which he is alone in narrating, except this ḥadīth.

    in جامع الترمذي, p. 3003

Same hadith, other wordings

  • Misykatul Mashabih 4439وَعَنْ عَمْرِو بْنِ شُعَيْبٍ عَنْ أَبِيهِ عَنْ جَدِّهِ: أَنَّ النَّبِيَّ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ كَانَ يَأْخُذُ مِنْ لِحْيَتِهِ مِنْ عَرْضِهَا وَطُولِهَا. رَوَاهُ التِّرْمِذِيُّ وَقَالَ: هَذَا حَدِيثٌ غَرِيبٌ

Other narrations of this report

Musannaf Ibn Abi Shaybah 25990Musannaf Ibn Abi Shaybah 25993Musannaf Ibn Abi Shaybah 25995Musannaf Ibn Abi Shaybah 25997Musannaf Ibn Abi Shaybah 25999Musannaf Ibn Abi Shaybah 26000

Narrators

  1. ʿAbdullāh b. ʿAmr b. al-ʿĀṣ
    One of the early Companions (sābiqūn), among those who narrated abundantly, and one of the jurist ʿAbdullāhs (al-ʿabādilah)d. 63 AH, or 65 AH, or 68 AH, or 69 AH; also said 67 AH, also said 73 AH, also said 77 AH
    عَبْدُ اللهِ بْنُ عَمْرِو بْنِ الْعَاصِأحد السابقين ، المكثرين من الصحابة ، وأحد العبادلة الفقهاء
    عن
  2. his father
    Truthful (ṣadūq); his hearing from his grandfather is established (thābit)d. between 81 and 90 AH
    أَبِيهِصدوق ، ثبت سماعه من جده
    عن
  3. ʿAmr b. Shuʿayb
    truthful (ṣadūq)d. 118 AH
    عَمْرِو بْنِ شُعَيْبٍصدوق
    عن
  4. Usāmah b. Zayd
    truthful (ṣadūq), prone to error (yahim)d. 153 AH
    أُسَامَةَ بْنِ زَيْدٍصدوق يهم
    عن
  5. ʿUmar b. Hārūn
    abandoned (matrūk), though he was a memorizer (ḥāfiẓ)d. 194 AH
    عُمَرُ بْنُ هَارُونَمتروك وكان حافظا
    حدثنا
  6. Hannād
    trustworthy (thiqah)d. 243 AH
    هَنَّادٌثقة
    حدثنا
  7. al-Tirmidhī
    trustworthy, a memorizer (thiqah ḥāfiẓ)d. 279 AH, in Ikmāl al-Tahdhīb: 275 AH
    التِّرْمِذِيُّثقة حافظ

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Commentaries

Mirqāt al-Mafātīḥ (al-Mullā ʿAlī Qārī)
Lamaʿāt al-Tanqīḥ (ʿAbd al-Ḥaqq al-Dihlawī)
Tuḥfat al-Aḥwadhī (Mubārakpūrī)

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Mishkat al-Masabih 4439

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